Buckster Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 http://www.lep.co.uk/news/Clay-pigeon-shoo...over.6099307.jp best bit is where it Say's "five people raised issues" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zorro Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Takes the mik doesnt it,that club would have been there for years before any of those residents lived there. We get the same at the local cricket club, people complaining about parking, cricket balls in gardens etc. The club has been there over 100 years they must have known when theynmoved in what to expect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Its not been stopped it has to be run and abide by the law. You need planning permission to shoot every week with appropriate measures for noise etc and doesn't look like they have done this. Bad as it sounds but I do have a bit of symathy with their neighbours having shooting every sunday morning through the year. Legally they can shoot every other week without formal permission so it should still carry on fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 quite a few grounds operate the 28 day rule by changing the land they shoot on. one for summer and the other for winter allowing members to shoot all year. to many have gone to the wall like this. nearest ground to me the holland arms has been shut perminantly now by complaints about noise even though it had full planning from the welsh assembly! bloody dogooders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 I shoot there now and again, I always thought it was quite sparsely populated where the shoot faces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC45 Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Maybe they should organise a Motorcross event every sunday instead... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Same thing happened to us..... we have been there since the mid 60's guy buys a disused pub opposite and converts it back to a farmhouse (original use) complains to council, our landlords, parish council, now as it happens our landlords want our bit of land back, but seeing as they like us, they offer us some ground about 400 yards further away from him. so in goes our planning and yes he objects.....(we shoot every week and wednesdays through the summer) his neighbours dont, the caravan park across the way dont (owned by the leader of the parish council) upshot is, we get official sound tests done and we pass with flying colours and after 12 months of wrangling with the council over something else we get our permission and he aint happy but nowt he can do... the councils arnt always dead set against shooting grounds if you go through the correct procedures.... shaun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Blaser F3 - shot there quite a few times. The houses are far enough away, for the noise to be absolutely minimal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 (edited) At least most of the comments are sensible, I would just ensure that "pest control" takes place 50 yards from the end of the gardens for a few weeks every day at first light. But as law abiding citizens they will comply and reduce their sport. If it was chavs racing stolen cars across local parks the measures are far less effective! On the other side completely i live in a city yet have to put up with muppets riding "road legal quads" up and down the road on sunday mornings...ITs aChuffing city....Mind you a couple did get creamed on a railway not long ago.....linky much rather hear some 12 bores..... perhaps a set of peltors for every complainent would work? Edited February 25, 2010 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniel Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Maybe a compromise could be sorted between the land owner and the house holders living near by......maybe start a little later on a sunday etc Communication is a wonderful thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
besty57 Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Maybe a compromise could be sorted between the land owner and the house holders living near by......maybe start a little later on a sunday etc Communication is a wonderful thing well said that man :wacko: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskymac Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 I shoot there regularly and know the owner and a number of the lads shooting there. The site is at the bottom of a long track and well away from houses, though it is on the fringe of a built up area. Unfortunately there seems to be a few local people who simply don't want the shooting going on. It's a shame as really it's the only skeet layout reasonably close to me and it makes a nice friendly place to shoot. Hopefully they will acrry on with the 28 day thing and push for weekly shooting again if at all poss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrowboy Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 If anyone needs any help with noise testing , I maybe able to help you out , depending how far away you are . I have all the correct equipment to do the job , I've been doing it for a motorcycle ( motocross ) association for the past 15 years . so had plenty of case's over the years .Just send me a pm with a contact number . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinxy72 Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 (edited) If anyone needs any help with noise testing , I maybe able to help you out , depending how far away you are . I have all the correct equipment to do the job , I've been doing it for a motorcycle ( motocross ) association for the past 15 years . so had plenty of case's over the years .Just send me a pm with a contact number . good offer i bet those who complained are the same bloody type who get up and cut their grass at 7am without consideration for thieir neighbours too just because they have nothing better to do Edited February 28, 2010 by jinxy72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Anyone that errs on the compromise side misses the fundamental point - shoot was there first. If the locals don't like it now, they should be told to **** off - they moved there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 Where I live you hear the shooting from the West London Shooting ground but its not a problem to me I like it, its a nice sound but I'm biased. I mentioned it once to one of my neigbours he said he had never even noticed it in all the years he had lived there. The antis have their own agenda though. They just don't like shooting, full stop. Many old clubs have been closed down because of noise even if they were there years before the houses. However, to be closed down the noise should have to exceed a certain level ( and usually it doesn't ) but clubs haven't got the money to fight it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 Anyone that errs on the compromise side misses the fundamental point - shoot was there first. If the locals don't like it now, they should be told to **** off - they moved there! Unfortunatly it doesnt work that way........the council has to investigate any noise complaints regardless of who was there first.... i would go down the route of noise tests.....if your within limits then they havnt got a case unless your shooting at daft times... just my tuppenceworth shaun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 Like the link to the newspaper in the OP, says, it is also about guns not just noise. Guns are not a planning issue but noise is to that is what the anti gun fold play on. They know to use the rules that exist for their own beneift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 I realise how councils work, what I am saying is that it is daft, red-tape, nanny state ********... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 (edited) Like the link to the newspaper in the OP, says, it is also about guns not just noise. Guns are not a planning issue but noise is to that is what the anti gun fold play on. They know to use the rules that exist for their own beneift. So could the ground require everyone to shoot hush powers and be fine? I know a few places have had noise issues but if its below a certain level and the club is existing surely its not a planning issue at all. Perhaps they should invite all the locals to a free try out session and see how many come and how many change their mind..... Edited March 2, 2010 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100milesaway Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 So could the ground require everyone to shoot hush powers and be fine? I know a few places have had noise issues but if its below a certain level and the club is existing surely its not a planning issue at all. Perhaps they should invite all the locals to a free try out session and see how many come and how many change their mind..... An excellent idea. It worked at one of my old shooting grounds. It's very hard to complain about someone when you know them.Just make sure you have compitent helpers, good safety, and no camo rambo types around when you invite them. Well worth a try.What would 5 free shots cost, if it saves you from closure, bet you get some new members too. from Auntie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrowboy Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 I realise how councils work, what I am saying is that it is daft, red-tape, nanny state ********.. It's a sad old world that a few people live in , I'm affraid . A few years back I had a case down in devon at little silver moto park . Which was stoped by complaints because of noise , So I went down there to do noise testing and meet up with the environmental officer . Done noise testing while 40 bikes rode round there , fine no real problem . Next ! OK sir lets visit the list of people that have complained , and do noise test from each location . Chap at the top of the list was the one who handed in the protest so I want to leave him till last . So we start our rounds , the first door we knock on , out comes a lady tell her what we are doing . What for she asked ! regarding your complaint madam , NO I'm not complaining I don't realy hear it , Mr so & so asked us to sign a protest for him so we did . That was the main reply from 11 of 14 complaints . With the evidence all on tape and noise test readings the track was re opened within three weeks . The biggest problem most shooting ground owners have , is that they have no idea of their rights or the law .And try to fight something they do not understand . And sadly there are companys out there that pass themselves off as noise experts , that only deal with industrial matters which is a different kettle of fish altogether . I came across one such company acting on the councils behalf , I tied him in knots with his own figures and left him with egg on his face . Case thrown out , and a not very happy council with a rather large bill on their hands and motocross track still able to run and still doing so three years later . Funny thing was that I was asked for my company card so that they might want to hire my services at a later date . The chap was pig sick when I told him I was a haulage contractor and everything I'd learned about noise issues was just picked up in my 30 years of motocross , both as a rider and an association chairman .Made my day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckster Posted March 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Just been back to the link and some of the comments on the article have been removed, one that has went something like ,these people just come along to shoot because they can't murder real birds on Sunday, Buckster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrowboy Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 . Many old clubs have been closed down because of noise even if they were there years before the houses. However, to be closed down the noise should have to exceed a certain level ( and usually it doesn't ) but clubs haven't got the money to fight it . Vince, Clubs or anyone else for that matter do not need loads of money to fight back . It's just a case of how you handle the matter and having the correct facts to put forward at your first hearing . If you mess it up at this meeting , then yes things can get expensive , before any hearing make sure you get the environmental officer out to do noise testing and a total outsider to do your noise testing along side each other . That way there will be no conflict on figures ,and the equipment being used by your noise tester can give a print out there and then , so both parties can have a copy and should make sure that the environmental officer signs both copies ( yours and his ) . Also take readings from all known locations of complaint . And unlike some people I've seen trying to do noise test , you do NOT put the noise meter upto the gun while it's fired .There is a set way to measure noise Which I will not mention on here as it can be used as a defence to get a second hearing which is not going to cost you anything and buys you a bit of time to make improvements if need be . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuck. Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 You know this country's going to the dogs when 5 non descript jobsworths have more power over the Masons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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