Homeloading carts.

[Yorkshire Pudding]

I have been having a look here . http://www.claygame.co.uk/Cat21.pdf .

 

All intresting stuff i'm sure you will all agree .

 

Then i started to do a little maths .

 

SHOT LEAD 3%Sb. Nos.3 to 9 £38.50/10kg.

10kg = 10000grams

So i took an average 12 bore cart. load to be 30g

10000g / 30g = 333.3r

£38.50 / 333.3 (I.e cost of 10kg lead DIVEDED by the number of 30g carts made) = 11.5p

 

So before we start with primers , powders , case's etc , a 30g cart so far is going to cost us 11.5p

 

Cases

 

250 12bore primed cases cost £25

 

£25/250 = 10p per case .

 

Case+lead = 21.5p

 

Price from justcartridges

 

Gamebore KV Pigeon 30g Plastic 6

£/1000 £/500 £/250 £/25

£165.00 £86.50 £47.00 £5.25

 

So £165/1000 = 16.5p

 

Don't quite know what i was trying to show you , but i have convinced myself not to buy a home reloader . Going to have to try talking to the missus instead .

 

all the best yis yp

[zorro]

I have been having a look here . http://www.claygame.co.uk/Cat21.pdf .

 

All intresting stuff i'm sure you will all agree .

 

Then i started to do a little maths .

 

SHOT LEAD 3%Sb. Nos.3 to 9 £38.50/10kg.

10kg = 10000grams

So i took an average 12 bore cart. load to be 30g

10000g / 30g = 333.3r

£38.50 / 333.3 (I.e cost of 10kg lead DIVEDED by the number of 30g carts made) = 11.5p

 

So before we start with primers , powders , case's etc , a 30g cart so far is going to cost us 11.5p

 

Cases

 

250 12bore primed cases cost £25

 

£25/250 = 10p per case .

 

Case+lead = 21.5p

 

Price from justcartridges

 

Gamebore KV Pigeon 30g Plastic 6

£/1000 £/500 £/250 £/25

£165.00 £86.50 £47.00 £5.25

 

So £165/1000 = 16.5p

 

Don't quite know what i was trying to show you , but i have convinced myself not to buy a home reloader . Going to have to try talking to the missus instead .

 

all the best yis yp

 

 

Ive been thinking of the reloading thing,i didnt look at the price. i just like the idea of shooting something that i have made. My grandad used to tie his own flies and he loved using and making them, i guess its a similar kind of thing

[brian28]

worked it out other day primers wads shot powder = £207 per thou using fired cases

one oz load

[Yorkshire Pudding]

Zorro .

 

I hear and understand what your saying it's the i built this .....

 

Here goes , i improved a car , it would and did go faster than a 996 it did a 3.1s 0-60mph it cost less to improve than the 996 , yet when the now mrs , chopped it in i lost 1000's .

But i built/spent money on improving the car , and it was my car .

 

I have also built my own brewery , to brew from grains (like the big boys do it) . The cost of my first pint was £4 give or take .

 

Go for it Zorro , I look forward to having a go with your product .

 

all the best yis yp

[casts_by_fly]

Unless you have a cheap source of lead (such as reclaimed lead from gun clubs or some thing else) it doesn't make financial sense to load your own for the sake of saving money with two exceptions. (1) Odd bores or loadings that are charged a premium to make and (2) shooting certain non-tox rounds. If you want to shoot premium game loads that are £250/1000 then you can do those cheaper yourself. Same goes for 28 bore cartridges that are £200/1000 or more. In 12 bore lead, more lead and more speed cost more money. In the less common bores, scale of manufacturing comes into effect in that they aren't making as many so the changover time on the line is a factor in the cost.

 

Also consider that any serious reloaders who are shooting tens of thousands of rounds a year are buying more than 10 kg of shot at a time. The more you buy the cheaper it is.

 

Thanks,

Rick

[Guest cookoff013]

you dont buy virgin cases. you use old ones =free, and can be used a few times.

24g # 6 would be cheaper than 30g loads.

 

possably it could be cheaper,

but not by much !

[sitsinhedges]

My primers were £25 per 1000, my 20g powder (A1) £32 per kilo both from Peter Lawman. Fibre wads and obturators combined were £33 per 1000 from claygame. Cases free and home made shot at whatever you can scrounge the lead for. I can make a 1000 subsonic 28gram 20g loads for just over £100 whereas to buy something similar would cost nearer £250.

 

If you factor in time it probably still isn't worth it but it is an enjoyable pastime and more satisfying when you shoot well with cartridges you have made.

 

If things aren't going well you can also blame the homeloads and wish you'd just bought factory loads

[Vince Green]

There is no saving in cost but on the other hand it feels great to down a bird with one of your own. When I started reloading I could save half the price of a cartridge. I don't really understand why the costs have gone up so much but on the other hand over time you learn more about cartridges and what goes in them.

I now load 1 1/8 oz cartridges with fibre wads and a slow burning powder. I could buy them for less but I feel my loads are superior to anything on the market and boy! do they feel good to shoot.

 

Cheap cartridges = small shot charges+plastic wads and fast burning powders, all to keep down costs not to give best quality. My reloads are better.

Edited February 26, 2010 by Vince Green

[zorro]

Apart from all the equipment and a SGC is there anything else u need to homeload? I read somewhere i might need a licence to keep/store the propellant\powder is that right?

[Floating Chamber]

Apart from all the equipment and a SGC is there anything else u need to homeload? I read somewhere i might need a licence to keep/store the propellant\powder is that right?

 

A licence (free) is needed to acquire and store BLACKPOWDER. This is not the usual powder for cartridges. mainly muzzle-loaders. Quite expensive.

 

Nitro is readily available at your gun dealers.

 

You need to shop around. It is still possible to reload for under £100/1000.

[sitsinhedges]

Apart from all the equipment and a SGC is there anything else u need to homeload? I read somewhere i might need a licence to keep/store the propellant\powder is that right?

 

Only for blackpowder and larger quantities of nitro as far as I'm aware.

 

For the average homeloader there is no extra licence, in fact I don't think you even need a licence to buy the individual components.

[zorro]

Cool, its def something im going to look into then....another thing to add to the list of things to do while the misses watches flaming hollyoaks aswell

[shakin stevens]

hi, i think you need to shop round for the conponents! i had the same thoughts on the expense

ive had a few bits of tackle from clay and game, and load mainly for wildfowling and it is alot

cheaper than buying carts from a gun shop, and i find the home loads alot better.

[Vince Green]

Don't forget the miles you have to drive or the carriage you have to pay to get all your stuff.

[Yorkshire Pudding]

A licence (free) is needed to acquire and store BLACKPOWDER. This is not the usual powder for cartridges. mainly muzzle-loaders. Quite expensive.

 

Nitro is readily available at your gun dealers.

 

You need to shop around. It is still possible to reload for under £100/1000.

 

 

Fc please pretty please .....

 

all the best yis yp

[graysclassics]

My primers were £25 per 1000, my 20g powder (A1) £32 per kilo both from Peter Lawman. Fibre wads and obturators combined were £33 per 1000 from claygame. Cases free and home made shot at whatever you can scrounge the lead for. I can make a 1000 subsonic 28gram 20g loads for just over £100 whereas to buy something similar would cost nearer £250.

 

If you factor in time it probably still isn't worth it but it is an enjoyable pastime and more satisfying when you shoot well with cartridges you have made.

 

If things aren't going well you can also blame the homeloads and wish you'd just bought factory loads

I pressume you use a hushpower 20g? I am interested in one of these, but dont like the price. (£800?) "I am tighter than a ducks chuff" I notice that Lee Load-All 2 is just over £50 for a 20g press, seems rude not too doesent it? I REALLY want to get a moderated shotgun, but need all the help I can get, I dont really want to go down to .410 unless its 3" magnum - any advice ?? All the advice I have ever had about re-loading is that there is nothing better, especially in rifle brasses, home brewed shells must be better than mass produced stuff right> Regards Gordon