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I have rcently got my my licence through and I am new to this forum and was wondering if anyone could advise me.

I mainly shoot rabbits with an air rifle, but I am wanting a shotgun for occasions when I cant get close enough to the rabbits without them running, a shotgun will come in handy in situations like this. It will also be handy for shooting pigeons and crows around the farm.

 

I am wanting a shotgun that is as quiet as possible and have looked around and found the following guns

 

1) Investarm Hushpower 20g o/u with (full moderator)

 

2) Mossberg Hushpower pump action 3 shot in 12g, 20g and 410 (these have only a half moderated barrel)

 

3) Baikal in 12g, 20g and 410 single shot (these are about 3/4 moderated barrels)

 

All of these can be viewed at

http://www.saddleryandgunroom.co.uk/Gunroom/SG_Hushpower.htm

and are made by this same company which is based in Kent.

 

I have read good and some bad about these guns and spoke to the shop that makes them. They have told me the quietest gun out of them all is the Investarm 20g that has a fully moderated barrel, they told me that it is even quieter than the 410 Baikal single shot. The Investarm 20g is twice the price of the others, and I find it hard to believe that its quieter than the 410 Baikal.

 

The problem I have got is nobody in the north east (Middlesbrough) stocks these guns and there is nowhere I can hear the difference for myself. If the Investarm 20g is as quiet as they say it is then I would be prepared to pay the extra simply because it would better for the job than the Baikal single shot 410.

I have also heard that the pump on the pump action Mossberg is quite loud, so that is putting off that slightly and the silencer only covers half of the barrel.

 

Has anyone out there got any of these guns or even better heard these guns next to each other and are they as quiet as I have been told(in the advert it says they are as quiet as a unsilenced air rifle)?

 

Has anyone used the 20g Investarm model with the full silencer and is it really as quiet as the Bakal silenced single shot 410.

 

Can anyone suggest another silenced shotgun that is quiet (if there is such a thing) preferably in 20g but if the there is a 410 thats alot quieter then that would be an option.

 

Has anyone got any other thoughts or opinions about the guns mentioned above or about silenced shotguns in general

 

 

 

Your oppinions and advice would be greatly appreciated

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Mossberg 410 work for me - its as quiet as you want to be, however, the range on the air-rifle is greater than a shotgun - whatever it is.

 

If its just sneaking up on rabbits you want then stick to a decent moderated air-rifle, you can drop a couple of rabbits before they are spooked - so work on your stalking and approach technique.

 

I have a favourite spot and have to do a slow crawl to get decent close - but when I am in position a cammo net over me and I can lay for a while, picking them off as they emerge.

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The 20g Investarm Hushpower is a little louder but is dramatically more useful, I could manage with one as my only gun.

 

I have used mine for decoying, roost shooting and general walking around type shooting.

 

It is a little slow for walked up 'snap shooting' due to the weight of 7 1/2 pounds compared to a lighter gun but beats any .410 hands down.

 

I woulds also be inclined to use standard cartridges of the slower type rather than the disappointing Hushpower ones, or load your own

 

 

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Would you say they Investarm stands up to the the claim that its as loud as a unsilenced air rifle?

 

P.S. Thanks for the advise

 

 

If you are shooting it into the air as you might pigeon decoying then it very nearly is but if you shoot it towards a wood at ground level it can be a bit louder because the sound bounces back at you, but either way it is very very good. The are not much different in size to a standard 12g either, very swingable and not much longer unlike the pump action ones. In my opinion .410s are too restricted in what you can shoot and the carts are very expensive.

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I've had the investarm one for a while now although I haven't used it over much.

An instance to say how quiet they are si the time I was shooting on a, not huge, field barley stubble. There are houses and horses nearby which is why I got the gun in the first place. A small flock of crows landed in the field about 300yds or so away, a pigeon came in and was shot...the crows never moved until I got out of the hide to retrieve the shot bird.

 

It is said that they get quieter when the baffles get a bit coked up so I can say they are pretty quiet. The only downside is that mine shoots a bit low which takes a little getting used to. Otherwise they are great at what they are intended for...shooting in noise sensitive situations.

 

 

GH

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IMHO the silenced guns all shoot Low and need the comb raising a bit to comp for the silencer. They are not as quiet as a airgun well my .410 mossy isn't . Quite a useful tool for some occasions had some horse owners complaining the other day changed to the .410 no more complaints touch wood. I prefer my 12 guage to use when I can tho.

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I would have the Hushpower Investarm 20g if I had the funds. My Pedretti s/b 12g shoots about 20 in low at 30 yards but it looks like the moderator on the 20g o/u sits more flush to the barrels?

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I think I am going to order the Investarm in the morning, I know its alot of money for what it is but I cant find another manufacterer that makes double barrelled fully silenced shotguns.

After reading reviews on this gun it sounds like it can be used in many situations including rabbits and even pigeon decoying so although its expensive it will be a handy tool to have in my cabinet.

 

I just have to decide which 12g to buy now to sit next to it in the cabinet.

 

Thanks for your advice

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I own the mossberg 410 and find it to be a brilliant bit of kit the only downside is the length but once you are used to it, its great, the third shot always comes in handy as well, I'm also looking into putting on one of those reflex red dot sights as i have found at a distance of 30 yards it shoots low so hopefully this will over come that problem they retail at £129 from deben ( has anyone put one on ?) the rails to fit it on you buy from mossberg I think .

Hope this has been helpful .

Kaiser

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I think I am going to order the Investarm in the morning, I know its alot of money for what it is but I cant find another manufacterer that makes double barrelled fully silenced shotguns.

After reading reviews on this gun it sounds like it can be used in many situations including rabbits and even pigeon decoying so although its expensive it will be a handy tool to have in my cabinet.

 

I just have to decide which 12g to buy now to sit next to it in the cabinet.

 

Thanks for your advice

 

They work well for decoying :rolleyes:

 

I used the Gamebore 30g 5's, hushpower carts :yes:

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I own the mossberg 410 and find it to be a brilliant bit of kit the only downside is the length but once you are used to it, its great, the third shot always comes in handy as well, I'm also looking into putting on one of those reflex red dot sights as i have found at a distance of 30 yards it shoots low so hopefully this will over come that problem they retail at £129 from deben ( has anyone put one on ?) the rails to fit it on you buy from mossberg I think .

Hope this has been helpful .

Kaiser

 

My single shoots low too so I just fitted a short block of ally to the rear of the tube that resembles a rib as you look down the barrel and sit the bead on it when aiming.

 

Strangely the double shoots dead flat :rolleyes:

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My single shoots low too so I just fitted a short block of ally to the rear of the tube that resembles a rib as you look down the barrel and sit the bead on it when aiming.

 

Thats interesting - I have the same problem but cope with it by blotting out the target - with its inherrant problems as with such a large diameter on the moderator you can miss a change of direction of the bird easily. Do you have a pic of the block you fitted please?

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any feed back from THE GRIFF as he as asked the same question as I would like the answer too

This thread is a blast from the past.

I bought the investarm 20g over and under new and after sending it back for double discharging problems 4 times they eventually found the problem.

The gun was alot more balanced when you put it to your shoulder than it looks but not very pointable, drainpipe on a stock springs to mind.

Bearing in mind I had just got my licence 2 and a half years ago when I got it and found it very difficult to shoot anything in the air with it, I found it difficult to swing and the stock a bit too short. I could shoot rabbits fine with it, it was just swinginging up it didn't feel right.

The positives are it is very quite for a 20g, especially with the hushpower cartridges and as far as I know the only fully moderated double barrel available, most moderated shotguns only have half or 3/4 of the barrel moderated.

At the end of the day this is a good tool for certain situations when other louder shotguns aren't suitable and a rifle can't be used because you are shooting a moving target.

I bought it originally for shooting rabbits but found the .22 rimmy could be used in most situations instead.

It would be good for shooting ferrals in and around farm buildings and around livestock, in my opinion not a good choice for general pigeon shooting and other day to day shooting but more a specialist tool for occasions when other guns/rifles are not suitable.

I sold mine earlier this year, if it wasn't so long and fit in my cabinet assembled I would of kept it for ferreting but it was about 3 inches too long for my cabinet and had to be stored in two pieces taking up the room of two guns so I got rid and just use my sxs shotgun along with rifles now and have found this covers most situations.

This is just my opinion and although I didn't really like it other people may get on fine with it, I would say try and shoot one first before you blow over £700 on one, because for that money you could get a cheap sxs 12g, a cheap .22 rimmy and a silenced single barrel shogun and have 3 tools in your cabinet that will be better suited to a wider range of situations.

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i`d love for the investarm to be in 12gauge. i`d have got one ages ago. i roll my own subs anyway to shoot through a sxs, and it shoots lovely.

now, i do recomend going to #4 shot when using 12gauge subsonics for pigeon and rabbits. i have posted enough about this so i shall not add to it.

roll your own will get the best out the specialised gun.

 

as for my recomendation, i`m very biased to the 12gauge, just because i load for it.

 

now. thats not to say the 20 is less effective with homeloads.

 

cook.

ps, sits, post up your hushpower cartridge recipe.

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