.17 hummer Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 hello pigeon watchers this is my first ever post on this site. i am trying to find a permanant rough shoot to shoot rimfire on .17hmr and .22 subsonics usual pest species. i have a small rough shoot and a golf course but am looking for something a bit bigger that i can shoot on at any time. im 43yrs old divorced with two lovely daughters who are both keen shooters. im a full basc member and have full public liability insurance with 30yrs exp , 9 of those in australia. i understand that there is no such thing as a free lunch and have a budget of about 1000 pounds a yr. my daughters and i are more than willing to share a shoot and more than willing to do working bees and share costs. we live in brighton east sussex and can travel to surrey hampshire or kent. all live stock and any conditions greatly respected. thanks dan willard. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 (edited) hi are you taking the p*&%ss. most of the shooters on here are struggling to get shoots. and could ill afford to pay a grand for the privilege.if you can afford the above amount why not try the shooting mags. but there again thats how shooting is going. to the highest bidder. Edited January 2, 2006 by markbivvy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Pieman Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Hello .17 Hummer. I'll apologise for Markbivvy's rudeness. He doesn't mean to be a tw*t, its a genetic defect I think With £1000-00 a year you should be able to find something locally. However, if you do some calling around farms in the area you want to shoot, you might well find something that suits your needs for free - except a couple of bottles of whiskey at Christmas for the farmers. I would seriously recommend that you try to get land by asking, before you go down the 'offering to pay for it' road. Welcome to the site. PP PS How old are your daughters? :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Thanks pieman. you put it so much better. but if that grand had bought one of your shoots would you still have been so nice. i have had a few people round some of my shoots this last year with very similar offers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
govshot Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Takes all sorts - and reverse snobbery as appears to be the case is bang out of order. I say get what you can and by all (fair and decent) means possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.17 hummer Posted January 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 thanks for the welcme mr pieman and as for taking the p@@s markbivvy no inm not. every penny iv ever had has been earned the hard way and im not flush or used to throwin g money about willynilly. i have had to resort to paying for land as there is a real shortage in sussex of decent places to shoot. and being so overcrowded in the south we havnt got the huge acreages available you have up north. paying for a decent shoot will come to your neck of the woods sooner or late whether you like it or not. as for the daughters their 14 and 18 respectively. :< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Pieman Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 The reason I asked about the ages of the daughters is that Miss Pieman (not to be confused with Lady Pieman) has just started to show a shooting interest and, as I too live in East Sussex, wondered if there was any potential mileage in meeting up with .17 in the future. His girls are a bit old though, Miss Pieman is only 6! As for the grand buying one of my shoots, its more likely to buy one of mine than one of yours Mr Bivvy - I live within 20 miles of .17!!! Having said that, upset me enough and I'd consider spending a little of my hard earned cash to buy up every bit of shooting land within 50 miles of your house!!! We all know its hard to come by, none of us want to lose it, but offering curteous advice should always be our aim in life. The arguement is much bigger than just us. What about the farmers that struggle to make ends meet? Why shouldn't they have the chance to earn a little extra? As you rightfully said its going to get worse as far as paying is concerned in the future. However, ****** all will be achieved by fighting amongst ourselves PP PS I wouldn't really buy all the land around your house - I hate it up north!!!! Far too near the mother-in-law!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throdgrain Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 I sympathise to be honest. You guys out in the country - ok, not in the south east - dont know how hard it is to find land around here. (Im about 25 miles away from .17 Hummer) Good luck mate, I hope you will be able to find something. (And if you do, gimme a shout Ill go halfs with you if you like ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.17 hummer Posted January 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 your right georgehare i was fogetting my manners. i dont know what marks reply if any will be but that not withstanding i add my apologies and really will end this here. its good that we can have a frank and open exchange of views but were both now guilty of making this too personal. just what your average anti would want . mark no hard feelings dan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 hi dan no worrie mates. its good to talk.good luck in your quest. mods delete it you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.17 hummer Posted January 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 not sure about deleting as mark and i .s silly stuff aside this post has brought up some interesting views on whether to pay for a shoot if you cant get one or not. mark is right in a way , that once people start having to pay for land then its a slippery slope and every farmer will think he should charge as every one else is and hes cash strapped. but going the ill get it free somewhere line wont help in an area like sussex where land is at such a premium. now weve both agreed to disagree does anyone else have any thoughts? do many other people on the forum have to pay or been asked by a farmer to pay? dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Dan, You can always start a new thread to discuss that. The thing that worries me is how readily PW comes up in Google searches, in other words I think loads more people get to read our outpourings than we realise :*) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Some of the posts on this thread have been deleted. I suggest we all remember what stuartp has said in the post above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.17 hummer Posted January 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 stuartp im happy to bow to your superior knowledge of the site stu as this is my first ever post. and didnt intentionaly want to be antagonistic or rude.there are lots of contentious issues around shooting and they need to be aired somewhere .. but you are right perhaps this int the place. wouldnt mind meeting you for a beer sometime mark? my eldest is at manchester uni and i go anmd see her once a month.im originally from rochdale so still got lots o0f ties there. look forward to many more chats in the future. best wishes dan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 We don't mind contentious subjects being aired and debated on this Forum and in fact they are, quite often. What we must be careful of, is the way we conduct ourselves in these debates. We all get hot under the collar on certain subjects (even Moderators ), but that is the time to think carefully, before putting fingers on keyboards and avoid personal insults. Generally, everyone is well behaved on here, compared to some Forums (apparently). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Do unto others what you'll accept being done to yourself..............I'll NEVER,NEVER pay out money to carry out Pest control on land and if money was no object I would'nt dream of pinching a fellow shooters land either .I'd have thought there would be some Hidden and Natural Gentlemens agreement amongst us Shooters that frequent this Forum Alas not always the case I know but it's all about helping each other and sticking together. .17 hummer It looks like your post as yielded some fruit ,,,They'll be other opportunities as there are alot of shooters from your area on here so keep posting and relationships will build up Ive Welcome to the forum by the way :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Interesting points guys and welcome to the nuthouse Dan!! Two points that have 'struck a chord' here. 1. I was lucky enough to be invited out on someone's 'permission at the end of last year. During the chat whilst driving/lamping, it transpired that the landowner was not 'loyal' to any particular shooter. Whoever asked, usually got the go ahead. All he is interested in is keeping the rabbit/foxes down. My immediate thoughts were to give him a call the next day, but upon reflection, decided not to out of common courtesy to the other shooters. 2. Yes, land in Sussex is very hard to obtain. But that doesn't stop me going to the clay ground and practising. Just on the off-chance that I may get another invite from somebody else and show myself up with the 12g. I wish I could afford to offer that kind of money to shoot, but then again, it is a double edged sword so to speek. Please lets not get into the habit of 'flaming' someone on their first postings as is so rife 'across the road'. Even I admit to posting junk at times, helps to keep me sane.... :thumbs: Enzo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 1. I was lucky enough to be invited out on someone's 'permission at the end of last year. During the chat whilst driving/lamping, it transpired that the landowner was not 'loyal' to any particular shooter. Whoever asked, usually got the go ahead. All he is interested in is keeping the rabbit/foxes down.My immediate thoughts were to give him a call the next day, but upon reflection, decided not to out of common courtesy to the other shooters. Did you not get asked again Enzo ?.............Do you think you could approach this fellow who invited you if it was ok to approach the landowner as it's a strange omission to say whoever asked got to shoot so to speak. It dose'nt matter what part of the country your in .If your confident with an element of cheek,dress accordingly and use the right approach you'll get land ...........It's just a matter of door knocking .....They can only say no . Even a bit of Cheek on the PM facility here can yield fruit :thumbs: Ive :wacko: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 It dose'nt matter what part of the country your in .If your confident with an element of cheek,dress accordingly and use the right approach you'll get land ...........It's just a matter of door knocking .....They can only say no . says it all really. well said young man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 (edited) Interesting replies guy, but - it is only a small patch of land; 18 holes if you know what I mean. And there are already numerous shooters allowed to shoot. I don't think it would be appropriate for me to suddenly turn up and bump into the person who invited me in the first place!! Could you imagine how busy it would be in the summer? I wouldn't mind sharing a shoot but when too many people turn up it gets a bit crazy and the qaurry gets very spooked/lamp shy as I discovered. Does anyone have any shoots they want to share with me? Good/safe shot, BASC Insurance(for what that's worth), All boundarys/ livestock respected, Blah Blah Blah.....Well, better to try here than on the Land Required section :thumbs: :wacko: Enzo P.S. I've just noticed what section this is...Land Required...Doh. :*) Edited January 6, 2006 by Enzo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikky Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 .17 hummer,i am in bury,next time you are up in rochdale send me an email...micklee@dsl.pipex.com...i have a small shoot with a few rabbits on near the owd betts pub on the top road between edenfield and rochdale..cost you a beer or two.. :wacko: :thumbs: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead-eye-dick Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 but that is the time to think carefully, and avoid personal insults. Generally, everyone is well behaved on here, compared to some Forums (apparently). :thumbs: What the f*#*ing hell do you know, You *#/?ing smelly a@#e-faced t#*t keep you big nose out of it. :wacko: :wacko: All my love Dead-Eye. - See you Sat for more of the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitmonkey Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 I can understand the frustration that would lead someone to consider paying for land, it took me months to find land recently, but I still think it's bad form to pay. Let's not forget we're doing the landowner a favour here, just as much - if not more - than he/she is doing us a favour. I don't see any reason for money to change hands. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 I have some Land in the dales for rabbiting, passed for up to 223 if you want to give me a yell if you don't mind shooting with a yorkshireman I went to Lancashire once and when I got back over the border into Yorkshire I got out, kissed the ground and counted my tyres :o Following on from an earlier post, if I was invited out onto land by someone, I would NEVER approach the landowner without talking to the guy who invited me there in the first place, just me and my morals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargeant Bang Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 It's a certainty .17 that'll you'll get free shooting, especially for the smaller calibres that you mention. Go to your local Farm Store, such as Mole Valley Farmers. Hand out preprinted flyers or cards to the customers coming in and out, generally farmers or farm workers. You'll crack it soon enough saving yourself one grand and not setting a dangerous precedent either into the bargain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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