markbivvy Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 I find it hard to believe that some of the posters are suggesting leaving the woodpigeon for foxes. If you have no use for them or no market for them DON'T SHOOT THEM!!!!!, go bust a few clays instead. I have come across more than a few instances of dead pigeons shot then dumped and I think its disgraceful. Whatever happened to respect for the quarry. Anybody shooting pigeons only to then dump them should be deprived of there shotgun licenses! so we tell the farmers who,s crops are being raped. sorry mate cant sell em,cant give em away so we will have to leave em to ruin the rest of your crops. i suppose crow and magpie are of the list as well are they.and god forbid we shoot ferals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 (edited) Rebus, Thanks for the feedback. I can understand how some dealers may feel - but the law is the law. scolopax - agree absolutely with what you say - same goes for anyone that shoots game - if you don't want to eat it or if you do not have a market for it - don't shoot it! David david basc i was up in north Yorkshire last week to meet a keeper , he,s wife told me he was in the back field. when we found him he was with a jcb driver digging a hole to bury the pheasants they could not sell. should i tell him and his bosses to pack the shooting in unless he can sell all of his birds,. seems to me like you and some others on here are only into shooting to make a profit. which is OK, but i cant shoot for the farmer unless i eat it or sell it. Edited January 21, 2006 by markbivvy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hitman Posted January 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 you cannot list rats and mink with pigeons when it comes to eating game.i would never shot a quantity of pigeons unless i had an outlet. pheasant shooting is an industry where the money is paid to shoot not the selling of the birds as meat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 (edited) you cannot list rats and mink with pigeons when it comes to eating game.i would never shot a quantity of pigeons unless i had an outlet. how many times a week do you get out.best not tell the farmer whos land you want to shoot that. pheasant shooting is an industry where the money is paid to shoot not the selling of the birds as meat. still a waste of life though. but some ones made some money so its allright then. you cannot list rats and mink with pigeons when it comes to eating game since when did pigeon become game. all vermin to me. Edited January 21, 2006 by markbivvy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 In my opinion the wood pigeon is an agricultural pest, which is why we have an open licence to shoot them. I respect everything I shoot, by ensuring I kill it cleanly. I do not hold mystical rituals over their remains, nor do I eat everything I shoot. What I don't want is sold, given away, or buried. To elevate wood pigeon to "Game" status, is to invite a close season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky640 Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 (edited) In my opinion the wood pigeon is an agricultural pest, which is why we have an open licence to shoot them. I respect everything I shoot, by ensuring I kill it cleanly. I do not hold mystical rituals over their remains, nor do I eat everything I shoot. What I don't want is sold, given away, or buried. To elevate wood pigeon to "Game" status, is to invite a close season. so cranfield you never ever shoot and have to ring any pigeons necks then? youre a lier or worse mate !!!! by ensuring i kill it cleanly every time i dont think so Edited January 21, 2006 by kirky640 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvertop Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 In my opinion the wood pigeon is an agricultural pest, which is why we have an open licence to shoot them. I respect everything I shoot, by ensuring I kill it cleanly. I do not hold mystical rituals over their remains, nor do I eat everything I shoot. What I don't want is sold, given away, or buried. To elevate wood pigeon to "Game" status, is to invite a close season. so cranfield you never ever shoot and have to ring any pigeons necks then?:blink: youre a lier or worse mate !!!! by ensuring i kill it cleanly every time i dont think so KIRKY640 You have obviously failed to comprehend Cranfields post. But i feel that enlightenment may be on its way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browningstalker10g Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 i dont think hes implying every thing he shoots is a clean kill in respect that it dies straight away, im sure he does have to dispatch birds from time to time, by cleanly i think he means making sure the bird dosent suffer, i hate it when my shoot dosent kill straight away, just the other day i shot a fox through the throat, id aimed at the chest but my aim wast true, it tore its throat open, but didnt kill it straight away, the fox bolted,it didnt get far, feeling shocked i ran after it, with there being no neck left to snap i panicked and the only thing i could think to do was stab it through the back of the head and that killed it instantly, now i felt bad for that kill, and still do, it may be a pest, but i must of caused it great pain and distress, thats by definision was not a clean kill, by clean kill im sure he means the bird didnt suffer, im sure hes not a liar after all what would the point of lying be?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 so cranfield you never ever shoot and have to ring any pigeons necks then?:blink:youre a lier or worse mate !!!! by ensuring i kill it cleanly every time i dont think so Of course I have had to kill a creature I have wounded. My statement was intended to convey that I do this as quickly and cleanly as possible. Whilst we are dealing with interpretation, I am still trying to work out how you can call someone a "lier" and "mate", in the same sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 (edited) If you have no use for them or no market for them DON'T SHOOT THEM!!!!!, go bust a few clays instead. I have come across more than a few instances of dead pigeons shot then dumped and I think its disgraceful. Whatever happened to respect for the quarry. Anybody shooting pigeons only to then dump them should be deprived of there shotgun licenses! If I wanted a crop protected, I wouldn't expect someone to go home after shooting enough for themselves to eat! Lots of mackerel are used are a fertilizer in bean trenches. Political Correctness is the outrider of International Socialism. Edited January 22, 2006 by rjimmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 If I wanted a crop protected, I wouldn't expect someone to go home after shooting enough for themselves to eat! if they did i dont think they would keep there permission for very long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invector Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Cranfield, I agree with you MATE. It should be LIAR!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Anybody shooting pigeons only to then dump them should be deprived of there shotgun licenses! but if you dump them with the game dealer its OK. some would say people who kill for profit are sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 (edited) I take it from some of the replies that dumping pigeons is something several of you would condone? Maybe even practise? I just cannot get my head round the logic of wasting perfectly good meat, whether its pigeons, pheasants, or even mackerel for that matter. Maybe I am lucky that I have enough 'permission' and find gaining extra pigeon shooting relatively easy. But I do not think I would be welcomed back if the farmer found 60 dead woodies in his ditch or dumped in the layby just up the road. The likes of LACS and PETA are desparately looking for ammunition to turn joe public against shooting. Now they think they are onto a winner with this dumping of pheasants business, photos of dumped woodpigeons would be just another, albeit smaller, nail in our coffin. I cannot see the similarity in dumping pigeon at a game dealers, for future human consumption, and dumping them in a field corner for the bluebottles. I don't regard woodpigeons as vermin, they are not game but they are a very sporting, very edible, quarry which can on occasionly be regarded as an agricultural pest. Edited January 22, 2006 by scolopax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hitman Posted January 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 its funny how farmers differ,the first time i shot one of my best farms ,they were hammering his rape and he said,dont shoot to many i like to see a few going about. totally agree with scolopax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 ive shot that many birds and rabbits and given them away for so long that when people see me coming into the garden gate they lock the doors and pretend to be out. freinds and family are over fed anything that that has fur or feather. if you want to kill a few birds a week and sell them do so. but what gives you the right to say Anybody shooting pigeons only to then dump them should be deprived of there shotgun licenses! i shoot pigeons day time and lamp foxes on a night. i dont regard any dead birds put down for charlie as wasted. but they are a very sporting, this bit we both agree. quarry which can on occasionly be regarded as an agricultural pest. the farms i shoot on hate em with a vengance, the only good one is a dead one to them. The likes of LACS and PETA are desparately looking for ammunition to turn joe public against shooting.i cant argue with this line. but in my oppinion a lot of what you have allready said is the ammo they like. pheasant shooting is an industry where the money is paid to shoot not the selling of the birds as meat. killing for profit is ok. not good to read on a shooting forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 its funny how farmers differ,the first time i shot one of my best farms ,they were hammering his rape and he said,dont shoot to many i like to see a few going about.totally agree with scolopax. it is hitman i have a farmer that told me if i dont go shooting rabbits when the young are about, not to bother going at all. so what would you do there.and i shoot on all the farms in that village.at the end of the day we all kill gear,some do it different to others. i think the grand national is cruel. but some love it. maybe we all differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JACKYBOY Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 i see this debate turning into a night mare and a fall out non of the guys on this forham are commircal shoot owners ther the guys that need the bollicking couse thay dont see the sport thay see the monny and the keepers do as there asked or there out so it aint there faoult eather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 and a fall out i have not seen a fall out just another discussion here on PW. life,s to short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 30 odd years ago MAFF decided to try controlling pigeons with narcotic bait. I don't think any were going to be eaten. There is now plan to step up control of grey squirrels, which are eaten by some people. Should that be opposed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invector Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 (edited) They used alpha chloralose to stupefy pigeons, and just went round picking them up and necking them. Unfortunately songbirds also ate the bait and were killed by predators, so that little idea bit the dust! At the time many people thought pigeon shooting would be finished, but we`re still here and doing a bloody good job. Edit: Changed O for A in chloralose!! Edited January 22, 2006 by invector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky640 Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 i shoot it dies it may suffer it may not that my friends is life the man drinks he drives he hits the child the child is dead or is not the drug dealer sells his **** the person takes it the person gets hooked the person steals and may even kill to fuel there habbit yes thats right life is **** sumtimes love to you all kirky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 I don't think you should compare shooting to that!! At the end of the day I don't see why shooting a big bag or a small bag makes much difference- provided all the meat is used as food. I have heard many stories about pheasants being buried, and the newspapers and antis love to say it, but until I see it or meet someone in reality who has, I have to say I think it is hearsay. If it does go on then those responsible should in my opinion be punished by sizeable fines. At the end of the day if 10 pheasants are shot, or 500 are shot on a day and all are in good condition and are either eaten by the shooters or by others, I don't see why this is a problem. If someone makes some money out of this by letting their ground for the shooting, I don't see that this is a problem either. I think BASC should do more to promote the eating of game, afterall this is one of the avenues for the future success of gameshooting in the UK. I think the countrysidealliances-game to eat campaign is admirable, in comparison it seems to me that the BASC's give away a brace idea is weak, but a lot more should be done. Perhaps for once efforts could be coordinated on this issues. I was once told that BASC had been infiltrated, now whilst I believe there a lot of top people who work in the BASC I do sometimes wonder about its direction. I have joined the NGO and CA and do not intend to renew my BASC subscription. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Teal, I think you will find that we at BASC were promoting game as food long before the CA took up the idea! Indeed - way back in the 1970's WAGBI were producing recipe books and more. One of our staff has also been in S Times week after week promoting game as food. BASC have alsways promoted the concept of giving away some of your game to others - so more people get used to the idea of eating game - not sure why you think this is a weak idea. BASC have always promoted the concept that you should eat game, pigeons etc. However our projects will not just target butchers....how many people in the UK buy their meat from a butcher? We will concentrate on larger markets. If you take a look at our web site you will see details of our Game's On promotion, if you read our mag you would have seen all about Game's On during 2005. Not sure who told you that BASC had been infiltrated! By whom and to what end? Sorry to hear that you will not be re-joining BASC, but thank you for all your support in the past. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 I dont know about CA but I have to say I thought BASC was doing a good job trying to promote game as food. Particularly liked the fact they had put on cooked meals for people to try. Sadly I was unable to attend one but is this not good? I would certainly like to see more of this approach. Giving someone a bird for the first time is not going to help anyhere near as much as giving someone a plate of delicious food. Then explaining thats how tastey it is. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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