shaun4860 Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 I would like to think ALL members of the public would get treated like this but i have my doubts http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/...ust-a-week.html Shaun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 well it sounds about normal for this country:no: doubt if i did the same i would be here now. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Appealing against conviction and sentence? :blink: The evidence for conviction seems pretty clear cut to me, apart from the cctv footage I've no doubt there are witness statements too. Not least from the officer who reported him in the first place, and the doctor who treated the victim. The sentence was fairly lenient considering his position of trust and responsibility. It would take a damn good brief to swing this one around.................. and they don't come cheap. Personally I can't see any mitigating circumstances for what was a blatant assault. She was hardly putting him or his colleagues in any real danger or threat of danger. The only thing I can see them going for is some form of procedural/technical balls up. He crossed the line, simple as that, and in full view of his colleagues and the general public. If he does get off on some technicality I can only see it resulting in the public perception of the police being diminished even further, and with huge cuts on the horizon and less police on the streets that's the last thing they need. It's a shame he couldn't just keep his head down and serve his sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 And they wonder why the publics faith in the police and justice system is nil :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 It's a shame he couldn't just keep his head down and serve his sentence. what if he thinks he is innocent, ok he has been tried by everyone on cctv only he was there. A judge presumably has decided there are grounds for an appeal which is his right as we give most people no matter what they've done in this country. Personally I'm not sure there was an intention there to injure her could well be wrong but with the press coverage it must be hellishly difficult to get a fair trial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 You've got to watch these 58 year old bids :blink: Lethal with a hatpin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 IM CONFUSED! When she later walked out of the cell after a police doctor visited her she recalled being "lifted up under the arms like a doll by Sgt Andrews and thrown headfirst back into the cell". is this when she got injured? cos i thought she hadnt been in a cell before he threw her into one? :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 what if he thinks he is innocent, ok he has been tried by everyone on cctv only he was there. A judge presumably has decided there are grounds for an appeal which is his right as we give most people no matter what they've done in this country. Personally I'm not sure there was an intention there to injure her could well be wrong but with the press coverage it must be hellishly difficult to get a fair trial he was tried BEFORE it came to the press I see the land of the cuckoo and cloud is still around. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 he was tried BEFORE it came to the press I see the land of the cuckoo and cloud is still around. KW thats why a Judge has granted an appeal there must be some grounds for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 thats why a Judge has granted an appeal there must be some grounds for it maybe but YOU made the assumptions? as I said nice to see people still live in the land of cloud and cuckoo's :blink: as to the bully I hope he gets his sentence increased. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death from below Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 It won't matter a jot even if he wins his appeal - nowadays that is almost irrelevant when it comes to police disciplinary proceedings - the local board can and will (hopefully) sack him. I really do find it quite lame that many on here seem to try and excuse/explain/defend this blokes actions - his behaviour can be argued up to a point as being 'proportionate (not that I would argue in his favour) - when he chucks her in the cell there is no going back for him - totally out of order and worthy of his sentence and future loss of job. As someone has already mentioned, cases like this do so much damage to the image of the police as a service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 (edited) You've got to watch these 58 year old bids :blink: Lethal with a hatpin I have been in the police for nearly 25 years, some of which was as a dog handler and over 20 years on the front line. The only time I had to use leg restraints in addition to handcuffs was with a female, 70 year old, six stone wet through mental patient. Her strength and single-minded ferocity was unbeleivable. If someone has a mind set to cause injury through mental illness, drugs or drink then it doesn't matter how big they are. Yes, we all think the copper is guilty and should have taken his punishment like a man. The sad fact is that this sort of thing whereby people found guilty of violent crimes walk free happens every day in every city and no one gives a to$$ unless it happens to be newsworthy. If you don't like the system, write to yout MP. Don't whinge about it on here. Edited September 14, 2010 by UKPoacher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Don't whinge about it on here. lol, if we cant whinge about things whats the point of the forum :blink: i for one hope this bullying excuse for a policeman gets his time in jail. then he can join the rest of us in the real world where assault and murder etc is not tolerated without punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 (edited) The telling bit from the CCTV is how she was "deposited" in the cell - it was a face into floor slamming moment (a push down as opposed to a push forward or even a push onto the seat in the cell). Quite uncalled for even assuming that there was a "threat" from the woman which is not properly shown or captured on the CCTV. Watch the clip again (8 seconds in). It really was quite the "over arm" bowling / delivery of the woman into the cell floor. The transcript from the Judgment indicates that there were a number of police officers called to give evidence. Two appear to have been singled out by the Judge for effectively lying - I think the Judge took the unusual step of issuing a full report to the two individual officers' superiors. This one appears to have some legs. I doubt he will get very far with it all mind you. Edited September 14, 2010 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 lol, if we cant whinge about things whats the point of the forum :blink: The point of this forum is to argue endlessly about which choke is best or whether those who use steel number 7's for geese should be hung, drawn and quartered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 The point of this forum is to argue endlessly about which choke is best or whether those who use steel number 7's for geese should be hung, drawn and quartered. true. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 I have been in the police for nearly 25 years, some of which was as a dog handler and over 20 years on the front line. The only time I had to use leg restraints in addition to handcuffs was with a female, 70 year old, six stone wet through mental patient. Her strength and single-minded ferocity was unbeleivable. If someone has a mind set to cause injury through mental illness, drugs or drink then it doesn't matter how big they are. Yes, we all think the copper is guilty and should have taken his punishment like a man. The sad fact is that this sort of thing whereby people found guilty of violent crimes walk free happens every day in every city and no one gives a to$$ unless it happens to be newsworthy. If you don't like the system, write to yout MP. Don't whinge about it on here. thing is we accept miss justice and the fact that thugs and criminals get away with it on a day to day basis difference is this guy was copper you know someone trusted to withhold the law not break it, and as such any punishment should and must be proportionally greater, in order to demonstrate the breach of that trust. hopefully he will lose his pension as well as it would well and truly grind on me as a taxpayer to think the 20% of my police rates going to the pension fund was also supporting the likes of him. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 (edited) thing is we accept miss justice and the fact that thugs and criminals get away with it on a day to day basis difference is this guy was copper you know someone trusted to withhold the law not break it, and as such any punishment should and must be proportionally greater, in order to demonstrate the breach of that trust. hopefully he will lose his pension as well as it would well and truly grind on me as a taxpayer to think the 20% of my police rates going to the pension fund was also supporting the likes of him. KW I agree with Kdubya - he should have the book thrown at him, as a copper he is expected to behave better than most.... It looks as though this was a joke sentence to shut the public up! Edited September 14, 2010 by gixer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 IIRC, having been convicted at a Magistrates Court, he has automatic right to appeal to the Crown Court. However, the fact that he has been granted bail seems a little ridiculous, but is ultimately up to the Judge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 IIRC, having been convicted at a Magistrates Court, he has automatic right to appeal to the Crown Court. However, the fact that he has been granted bail seems a little ridiculous, but is ultimately up to the Judge. Bail is decided on several factors including whether the offence is likely to be repeated and whether the complainant's safety is at risk. In this case neither is a major factor. Kdubya; - your 20% of his pension is quite safe. He won't draw any, and if it makes you feel better his 20% tax contribution AND his own 11% contribution from his wages will also be lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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