Jim Sarakun Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 Public forum or not, I will admit that I am a serial down loader. It's all here on my computer, I have the broadband speed, 16.3mb, and I have the access and the knowledge, so yes I download. I have been downloading for 10 years now, movies, songs, games the whole shebang, Distros, Operating systems, if you can download it, and it is available, and if I want it, then I will download it. Some I share, some I don't, binaries, I can't, but would if I could, or if I knew how, and I am a firm believer of the Mozilla, Linux, and all who partake in the principle that it should be free. A computer wizard friend of mine, told me when I bought my first computer, the purchase of the computer is all you need to buy, once you get to know your way around it, it is, and should, all be free. I have been partaking in a post on this subject, limewire in off topic, if you want to look it up, and see a few people still go along with the pay as you go kind of way of thinking. Why, I ask if you don't have to? I have just downloaded a couple of movies and some albums, though don't think that I will ever see the artists riding into Mc Donalds on a push bike because I have deprived them of any income. The likes of I, will never I don't think, ever take from the pockets of the artists, enough to make a difference. I do it because I can, It's there, and it saves queueing, and money too. I would never have the repertoire of music, games, or movies, if I had to pay for it. I am at the moment, quite poor, though if I had the funds, would I queue and pay, most likely not. So do YOU download? Should it all be free? Are down loaders REALLY depriving the industry or depriving the artists? I see that limewire has now gone, maybe the rest will eventually follow, maybe not, though I am sure that something new, or a different way is being devised even now.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 I'm on the fence, personally, but two comments: 1. I was talking to a bloke the other day who's business partner was put away last year for 3 years after he was caught sharing hundereds of films. His ISP dobbed him in. 2. Can all those who occupy the moral high ground on this one honestly say that they never taped a mates album or recorded songs of the radio when they were kids? Rememember how we laughed at the "home taping is killing music" stickers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootreview Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 hmm im on the fence also. The thing that annoys me the most is the fact that your ISP is being forced to provide the said authorities with your details, if the ISP detect that you are sharing/downloading copyrighted content. The bit that annoys me is "what is the point of data protection" If the authorities can just pick and choose what data you provide is protected. Im fairly sure when i signed up to my ISP (not that i am aware of anyway as it was a while ago) there wasnt anything in the contract that implied that if i did share a few files or downloaded any files that they would DOBB me in. I can understand where the said companies are coming from regarding their material being used illeagaly, but because they find it SO hard to stop the sites that are there for you to download what you wish, they (in my opinion) have let the authorities know how much money the government are losing in tax with the illeagal downloading. Thats the reason (in my opinion) for the crackdown on us as it is far easier to threaten the ISP and put the problem onto them as it is easier to find the people that are doing it instead of finding the guys that make the sites to download from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 too many lawyers are getting involved so i think the risk is too great unless you use an anonymous proxy. like it or not it is morally dodgy, because do you work for free? however i do think music and movies are overpriced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootreview Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 It will never be stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guinea Fowl Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 All I want to know is and in baby language that is, is how to download Final cut pro 7 and photoshop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 All I want to know is and in baby language that is, is how to download Final cut pro 7 and photoshop. Or just ask me, I have them both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootreview Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 if i told you on an open forum id get in trouble lol but "Google is your friend". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 I have been downloading for 10 years now, movies, songs, games the whole shebang, Distros, Operating systems, if you can download it, and it is available, and if I want it, then I will download it. We are basically of the same understanding. Porn torrents are the way forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 Black and white for me - anonomous sharing on-line is not "cricket"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootreview Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 people have been files sharing on news feeds for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 We are basically of the same understanding. Porn torrents are the way forward didn't you see the online list of people caught doing just that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 didn't you see the online list of people caught doing just that? Ahhhh... But that's cheesy porn, "College girls 2" etc. The publisher of the films has requested that the ISPs fine them, not the ISPs. Just go for stuff that looks like it's been filmed on a camera. Alternatively, go for the metasearch sites that cover all the '####' style sites. (search 'porn spider' on Google - I would say the actual name of the site, but it has a cheeky word which would get me in trouble) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootreview Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 didn't you see the online list of people caught doing just that? If you spend a little time doing research, you can download anything u wish without being traced or caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootreview Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 there are also many programs about now that will record media from legal porn sites or video sites straight to your computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 (edited) If you spend a little time doing research, you can download anything u wish without being traced or caught. You'll do well... Even if you hopped onto someone's network and started downloading stuff, you'd leave traces of your visit on the router logs; MAC addresses being the main thing. If you have facebook, PW or anything that stores cookies (which a lot of Windoze computers have silently running in the background) you're matching a MAC address with cookies which are going via the router. The cookies can be very easily intercepted and used to find out who you are. If you don't believe me about cookie interception, download 'firesheep' for Firefox. It will give you access to anyone's account logging into Facebook on an open network. It won't give you the password, but it'll pick up the authorisation cookies being sent back and mirror them and you just click the icon and you're on their profile. (That's also due to the fact that Facebook doesn't use SSL encryption) So unless you've purposely gone out and bought a laptop for illegal downloading and not for anything else, you might get away with it. Edited October 29, 2010 by Billy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootreview Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 You are of course correct. Ive been in the business for long enough to know how to get around most of it. I certainly dont do it at all now. But if a person wants to its not that hard to get away with. Its getting harder with WEP encription being near enough extinct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootreview Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 another thing that still scares me is the amount of unsecured networks that are still available to log onto. I even leave mine unsecure every now and again and leave sniffers running to see how many people log on and use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 You are of course correct. Ive been in the business for long enough to know how to get around most of it. I certainly dont do it at all now. But if a person wants to its not that hard to get away with. Its getting harder with WEP encription being near enough extinct. Give me a WEP wifi network, two laptops and KisMAC and you can wave goodbye to the security and hello to the password! I'm sure you know how that's possible though Sounds like you're in the business and the reason for me going against your opinion is because I don't think every computer user could get away with it. You have to be reasonably savvy and if you're going down the dedicated laptop route, never input any personal info on it anywhere, otherwise you might as well bin it and start again! Best thing to do it to remove the wireless card and go external. At least the NIC's got a MAC address that's external to the computer, meaning you could bin it quite quickly, if need be. God, I really should follow my advice! hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootreview Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 Why use 2 laptops for cracking WEP lol. As for the mac address is easy to get around that aswell. The main problem is, is that there is a lot of people about(especially the younger generation) that can easily get around all the security if they want to. The good thing is for most people, is that, a lot of the viruses around now are only after nicking your bank details and not trying to wipe your HDD(no money in wiping the HDD) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 (edited) Why use 2 laptops for cracking WEP lol. As for the mac address is easy to get around that aswell. The main problem is, is that there is a lot of people about(especially the younger generation) that can easily get around all the security if they want to. The good thing is for most people, is that, a lot of the viruses around now are only after nicking your bank details and not trying to wipe your HDD(no money in wiping the HDD) It can be done quicker if you use two or more laptops. One keeps the network busy, injecting packets, whilst the other keeps a ear out picking up IVs. It can be done with one, but you'll just be there longer Alternatively, use two to pick up IVs and merge the data. Although the above will be quicker Edited October 29, 2010 by Billy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootreview Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 on my test machines i could crack my own WEP (just for these thread i will mention not to try any of the suggestions on anyone elses network as it is illegal) in about 5 mins using vmware and another piece of brilliant linux based OS that i cant remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 on my test machines i could crack my own WEP (just for these thread i will mention not to try any of the suggestions on anyone elses network as it is illegal) in about 5 mins using vmware and another piece of brilliant linux based OS that i cant remember. Prism network card also? No experience of Linux, so whatever you said, aside from VMWare is meaningless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootreview Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 You on a mac? if so its unix based. linux is basically dif version of unix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootreview Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 just remebered the linux OS it was backtrack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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