barrelsniffer Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Look you dont seem to know much about shooting or foxing so PLEASE before you do something you regret laters..or injure someone...and give us all more bad press..PLEASE find someone who will do the job for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordhardup Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 One farm I have just got permission on for vermin, crows etc. has now got a pair of foxes trying to get into the yard. They come right up to the sheepdogs, they know how long the nightime leads on the dogs are, so simply skirt around them The farmer says he can even see them from his armchair, they come so close....so can I cleanly drop them, from about 15 mtrs, with a PCP, and using what pellets? I think you will find, FAC is FAC be it air rifle, rimfire or centre fire. If you can get one you should be able to get any of them, and then you can sort your own fox problems with the right tools for the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 But what if I could tune my rifle to, for arguments sake, 24 ftlb? Some perspective for you. The .17 HMR has a muzzle energy of (about) 245 ftlb, ten times greater than your theoretical tuned PCP. Arguments rage on here all the time as to whether the HMR is man enough for fox. Lots of people think it isn't and many police forces don't allow it for fox. So how is something with one tenth of it's power going to be man enough? If you shoot a fox with any air rifle, FAC or not (unless PB behind the ear) you will only succeed in inflicting a painful wound and make yourself liable for a very well deserved prison sentence for gross cruelty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 (edited) I agree, hence the post! trouble is, they don't want shotguns on the farm, cos they scare the sheep/dogs/walkers and so on How about traps, snares and such? Are you familiar with Hushpower shotguns? The 410 is about as loud as a springer air rifle. Before anyone jumps on ME, I am not suggessting that this would be the ideal dedicated foxing tool - but at very close range it would do the job and has to be a million times better than an air rifle. Preferably the Mossberg pump in case a quick follow up shot is needed. Edit: obviously agree with Maverick123 below that a 12 bore would be better still. Edited December 31, 2010 by HW682 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrelsniffer Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 I think you will find, FAC is FAC be it air rifle, rimfire or centre fire. If you can get one you should be able to get any of them, and then you can sort your own fox problems with the right tools for the job. FAC in his hands.. beggers belief at mo with just a air rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick123 Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 hush power 12 bore is what you should be using if you cant get a CF rifle but thats my opinion and im sure some may disagree find someone who has experience in fox control, respect the quarry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 I've seen foxes and even small deer shot by air rifle So when you witnessed this horrific example of sickening animal cruelty, did you inform the police? If not WHY NOT? I really am quite interested in the answer to this.........? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Oh Dear.......... The original question gave no indication of power so I assume 12ft lb. Many regions will not condition any Rimfire for Fox, that means potentially about 320ft lb is not considered appropriate by some authorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pabs Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 .22 cal? With a 21 gr pellet at 11.6ftlb the energy at 15m would be roughly 10ftlb on the target. If you shot it in the side of the head, just behind the eye, it would kill it. BUT.... It would need to be EXACTLY that kind of shot placement, at THAT distance. No way would I do it. And of course, its not allowed...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lineshooter Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Do you have a mate who shot a hare @ 800yds Best use a trap if you can`t use firearms/shotgun on the land, heed the advice others are giving here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted December 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 I am listening and learning, but why do you think its safe to shoot a rabbit in the head at 60 mtrs. with an approx force of 3 ft lb, yet its not on to shoot a fox at 15 mtrs with a force of about 10 ft lbs? I'm just looking for an answer, nothing else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegleg31 Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 give the bloke a break he asked can you shoot a fox with an air rifle.not stated that he'd been shooting foxes with one. and yes he did state that he'd seen people shoot fox/small deer with an air rifle but not himself. it makes me laugh how people jump on people for posting a stupid question in their eye's.but what's more stupid,going out there and doing it without asking? i was always told if you don't ask you won't learn. all the best for the new year russ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pabs Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 (edited) I am listening and learning, but why do you think its safe to shoot a rabbit in the head at 60 mtrs. with an approx force of 3 ft lb, yet its not on to shoot a fox at 15 mtrs with a force of about 10 ft lbs? I'm just looking for an answer, nothing else The guides are based on body shots, not head shots. Therefore you need a HELL of a lot more energy to drop a target with a body shot, unless you have xray vision and can see the heart and have the energy to get through fat, muscle and bone to get to it.. We all know roughly where it is, but angles, target size etc makes that difficult. Ergo, deliver hundreds of ftlb to it and it will kill it. Head shot needs soooo much less energy, but its a MUCH more difficult shot to take. Bottom line is- Don't risk it. As others say, respect your quarry. If you do, report back and let us know how you did.... Edited December 31, 2010 by pabs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lineshooter Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Thats fine Pegleg but don`t you know a few who will shoot first and ask later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 and yes he did state that he'd seen people shoot fox/small deer with an air rifle but not himself. Point taken Russ, and he's getting the advice he needs but, this is the bit I am struggling with. What would you do or say if you saw someone shoot at and wound a deer with an air rifle? Chalk it up to experience and crack on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted December 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Cheers Russ, at last a sensible answer! I am indeed asking what is best, nothing else For the record, I have seen a fox and a deer shot with air rifle, one shot each, but they could have been using undeclared FAC rifles which go to 80 ft lbs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Cheers Russ, at last a sensible answer! I am indeed asking what is best, nothing else For the record, I have seen a fox and a deer shot with air rifle, one shot each, but they could have been using undeclared FAC rifles which go to 80 ft lbs! Are you actually an anti looking for some idot child to agree with you? another good reason to report them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsg Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 You can shoot a fox with an air rifle:) Killing it is another story. It may die in pain. IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO USE AIR RIFLES for anything larger than Rabbits. Whoever does it could land in trouble with Police and RSPCA if reported and One should ask himself it this is a humane thing to do. There have been accidents when people died by being shot by airguns hence they are lethal if pellet hits in the wrong place. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2657792/Boy-10-killed-in-air-gun-shooting.html Obviously SUCH act would do no favours to airgun community either. Guys don't get me wrong. It is not an inflammatory comment and Is not addressed to any member, but the airgun law is being steeped up because of them being misused by a couple of people. ATB Sorin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humperdingle Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Cheers Russ, at last a sensible answer! I am indeed asking what is best, nothing else You've been told what's best and what firearms departments deem acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Cheers HW682, for your sensible answer! Don't mention it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigchap Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 it's not going to happen with a sub 12ft/lb air rifle,not unless you get close enough to hit it over the head with it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoTshoT-16 Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 let the hounds get the taste for foxes and let them shear them other option would be a 17HMR or 12g slug carts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanl Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Does anyone here catch foxes in a trap? How do you kill them then? Alan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Does anyone here catch foxes in a trap? How do you kill them then? Alan. With a 12 gauge shotgun at safe distance or a .22rf or .410 shotgun by pinning thier head down with a tool similar to a hay fork and poking the muzzle right up to the brain, other ways work and are humane but anyone who tries any air rifle needs to end up in court. I did here of a fool who fired his deer rifle into the trap- it killed the fox and the trap to boot, luckily no people at the same time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted December 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Okay guys, I've heard all your replies, forgot to mention I don't drink or smoke, I will just carry on what I'm doing, rabbits are good for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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