Vince Green Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 We had all these sort of discussions back in the days before the handgun ban, only in those days there weren't the forums like this to air them publically. Back then we were moaning about the Rambo wannabes acting out their fantasies with 9mm 16 shot pistols. Dressed up in all sorts of combat clothes Real plonkers many of them, living in a dream world but they spent money and the dealers were only too happy to supply the hardware. And the clubs sprung up to cater for them. Look how that all ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadioles Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 We had all these sort of discussions back in the days before the handgun ban, only in those days there weren't the forums like this to air them publically. Back then we were moaning about the Rambo wannabes acting out their fantasies with 9mm 16 shot pistols. Dressed up in all sorts of combat clothes Real plonkers many of them, living in a dream world but they spent money and the dealers were only too happy to supply the hardware. And the clubs sprung up to cater for them. Look how that all ended. And they were shooting in a controlled environment and not doing any harm to anyone..... Just having fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 Look how that all ended. And there was me thinking Thomas Hamilton had a liking for getting young boys to wear really tight shorts.Didn't know he liked to dress up in camo gear as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 And they were shooting in a controlled environment and not doing any harm to anyone..... Just having fun. Good god,we used to shoot at people shaped targets as well.It was only a matter of time before we all ran amuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarecrow243 Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 Hi i had a calico .22lr semi auto a few years ago and it had a 100 round capacity magazine and i used the full mag shooting rabbits in one field without moveing so the need for larger capacity mags do have there uses. so just cause you dont want to use one dosent mean they should not be allowed so stop moaning and put yer dummy back in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 Well funny thread One guy right, everyone else wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 Well funny thread One guy right, everyone else wrong Reminds me of my passing out parade, when my Mum asked the RSM why I was the only one in step? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 (edited) Cant embed it so just follow the link :yp: :yp: :yp: :yp: Edited May 21, 2011 by Beretta28g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the enigma Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 (edited) Cant embed it so just follow the link :lol: Edited May 21, 2011 by the enigma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 (edited) We had all these sort of discussions back in the days before the handgun ban, only in those days there weren't the forums like this to air them publically. Back then we were moaning about the Rambo wannabes acting out their fantasies with 9mm 16 shot pistols. Dressed up in all sorts of combat clothes Real plonkers many of them, living in a dream world but they spent money and the dealers were only too happy to supply the hardware. And the clubs sprung up to cater for them. Look how that all ended. Vince Are you honestly trying to tell me that just because PP shooters wanted to wear combats and look, let's face it, like hollywood tells shooters they should look, that made them somehow more dangerous or prone to murderous rampages than you I'm sorry sir, but that just makes you a bigot in my book... Each to there own and live and let live... I think morris dancer are a bunch of poncey tossers who should know better but I wouldn't dream of criticizing them for doing what they love, I also think the target shooters who wear the silly jackets and gloves and eye patches etc... look rediculous but hey... that's just me! I really, truly wish there were practical tactical shooting matches in the UK... it gives the sport a more dynamic edge. It does not automatically mean everyone taking part is a 'Walt' (look it up) or that they are secretly living out some militeristic fantasy. It is just a group of people who enjoy a certain aspect of the sport of shooting who prefer something with a little more action in it than just lying prone and squeezing a trigger... I still prefer squash to golf even though I love golf... it still feels a tad pedestrian to me... I love shooting but sometimes the comps in the format they are in the UK start to feel a little sedentary... there is nothing wrong with adding a little stress and adrenaline to the equation, it's what makes things fun and keeps things interesting... at some point, punching holes in paper from the same position at the same distances gets VERY tedious and VERY boring... Unfortunately, comps, as they exist in the States, are far too 'un-pc' for Britain... after all, we wouldn't want to give the public the impression we actually liked guns, would we! because let's face it, we all know the reality is that we all absolutely hate guns and only use them begrudgingly because we HAVE to!!! And to suggest that pistols would have ended up being banned or that somehow something nasty was going to happen just because of the way people decided to dress or the disciplines the took part in is so narrow minded it beggars belief... it reminds me of the old duffers at the golf club who moan and complain when people dress in up to date clothes... they seem to think that because they aren't in traditional 1960s golf attire, they are somehow delinquent and scruffy... NO... THEY ARE JUST A LOT YOUNGER THAN YOU AND ARE DRESSING APPROPRIATELY TO THEIR AGE AND THE DECADE! Edited May 21, 2011 by Vipa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 i love this topic was actually going to get my FAC next week and get a few tactical guns with 50 shot mags 'but' as the end of the world is due tonight at 6pm i doubt ill get round to it shame, as i fancied 50 shots at a rabbit :yp: :yp: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 Why would a 50 round magazine be advantageous on a rampage? Well, if I were on a rampage and everyone else was shooting back at me the last thing I would want to do is to stop to have to change magazines. But, as there is about 0.0001% chance that anyone is going to be armed and willing to shoot back, I think it makes absolutely **** all difference if you carry one 50 round drum or five 10 round magazines. And who gives two flying ****s what they look like? I don't like shotguns with chrome or anodized red barrels. They serve no purpose, other than the owners probably like them. They'd be **** on a pigeon day, and probably wouldn't be welcome on a game day. Doesn't mean I think they should be banned though. OP, I think your ****ty rant would be better suited to mothers against guns to be honest. You'll get sod all support on PW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 Sod using a 50 round mag for a rampage...they jam up far to easily :yp: The old saying fits perfectly - guns don't kill, people do... Regards, Gixer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 While I have never used one I have handled an AR15, it seems an excellent rifle for in car work, ie rabbits etc out of the window. I have tried 50 round mags in my 10/22, could not get them to feed reliably but the Steel lipped Butler Creeks are excellent and my mag of choice. Leave the target boys to shoot whatever they want and support them if push comes to shove as I am sure they would support field shooting if the govt attempted to ban it. I am sure they will make up disciplines to suit any equipment that is out there. A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 :blink: Cant embed it so just follow the link :yp: :yp: :yp: :yp: have you seen his other songs :blink: awsome the "ile give up my guns one is v v good and v true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Scholl Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 Vince Are you honestly trying to tell me that just because PP shooters wanted to wear combats and look, let's face it, like hollywood tells shooters they should look, that made them somehow more dangerous or prone to murderous rampages than you I'm sorry sir, but that just makes you a bigot in my book... Each to there own and live and let live... I think morris dancer are a bunch of poncey tossers who should know better but I wouldn't dream of criticizing them for doing what they love, I also think the target shooters who wear the silly jackets and gloves and eye patches etc... look rediculous but hey... that's just me! I really, truly wish there were practical tactical shooting matches in the UK... it gives the sport a more dynamic edge. It does not automatically mean everyone taking part is a 'Walt' (look it up) or that they are secretly living out some militeristic fantasy. It is just a group of people who enjoy a certain aspect of the sport of shooting who prefer something with a little more action in it than just lying prone and squeezing a trigger... I still prefer squash to golf even though I love golf... it still feels a tad pedestrian to me... I love shooting but sometimes the comps in the format they are in the UK start to feel a little sedentary... there is nothing wrong with adding a little stress and adrenaline to the equation, it's what makes things fun and keeps things interesting... at some point, punching holes in paper from the same position at the same distances gets VERY tedious and VERY boring... Unfortunately, comps, as they exist in the States, are far too 'un-pc' for Britain... after all, we wouldn't want to give the public the impression we actually liked guns, would we! because let's face it, we all know the reality is that we all absolutely hate guns and only use them begrudgingly because we HAVE to!!! And to suggest that pistols would have ended up being banned or that somehow something nasty was going to happen just because of the way people decided to dress or the disciplines the took part in is so narrow minded it beggars belief... it reminds me of the old duffers at the golf club who moan and complain when people dress in up to date clothes... they seem to think that because they aren't in traditional 1960s golf attire, they are somehow delinquent and scruffy... NO... THEY ARE JUST A LOT YOUNGER THAN YOU AND ARE DRESSING APPROPRIATELY TO THEIR AGE AND THE DECADE! Well said! As an American who's been on this forum for several years, i've learned a lot of things about the British shooting community. One thing i've learned is that many British gun owners are very narrow minded and rigid in their opinions on what guns they believe are appropriate for the sport. To these shooters, anyone who owns or even shows interest in anything even slightly modern or tactical looking, is some sort of Rambo wannabe who might snap and shoot up the place at any minute. They think that if they throw these less PC, more "radical" gun owners under the bus, the anti gun crowd will just leave them alone and that will be that. But it hasn't worked out that way. Did they stop after semi-auto rifles were banned? No. Have they stopped since handguns were banned. No. They'll just keep chipping away until eventually, there's nothing left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strongski Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 not all people have there guns for shooting vermin ground game ect but some people like to shot bits of paper then fifty holes in a bit paper i do not have or want one of thees guns but leave the people that do alone .all the best strongski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 (edited) I have fired everything from AK47's chambered for 410 carts to AR15 assault rifles in the states and can honestly say it was fantastic fun shooting at a bit of paper with these things. It does not make me an unhinged killer and mag capacity will not help an unhinged killer any at all, any lunatic could walk into a crowded area with a bomb or a machete and do as much damage. Should we also worry about the fact most of our kids run about in "soldier" out fits with bits of stick shouting "bang" at everyone?? Does this show the makings of a lunatic? No, of course not.... There's a good story about an soldier being interviewed about shooting in schools, the news girl says "are you not worried you are equipping these kids to kill" and the old salty army guy replies " well ma'am, you're equipped to be a prostitute but you're not one are you".... Regards, Gixer Edited May 22, 2011 by gixer1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 (edited) There's a good story about an soldier being interviewed about shooting in schools, the news girl says "are you not worried you are equipping these kids to kill" and the old salty army guy replies " well ma'am, you're equipped to be a prostitute but you're not one are you".... Regards, Gixer I like that! Let's face it... if people (especially the shooting community) should get worked up about something then really, it should be computer games... I spent many years playing Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six & Ravenshileld over the net... hunting the enemy down, killing them... My son plays a lot of Call of Duty, which is essentially the same thing just more realistic and complex... Once technology gets to the point where you can completely immerse yourself in a computer game (10-15 years perhaps) then the biggest demand will be for tactical & combat simulations followed very closely by sex! And yet Just because I like guns and find tactical equipment rather sexy and like shooting said equipment at paper... that somhow makes me a Rambo wannabee and a massacre waiting to happen... I also am quite well read on the history of the atomic bomb, in fact you will find rather a lot of material, books, videos on the subject in my house... doesn't mean I'm going to snap and go blow something up! As I said earlier, the number of deaths caused by legitimately held firearms pales into insignificance against pretty much any other method of dispach you can think of... I bet more people have been killed by slipping on discarded banana skins over the years than legally held guns! Edited May 22, 2011 by Vipa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 I've gotten back into shooting after a 20 year hiatus bringing up my 3 children. My youngest son (20) loves shooting, in fact it was because of his wish to pursue it as a hobby that I got back into it. After shooting clay pigeon for a few years with him I applied for my FAC and got it last month. I'm now happier than I have been for a long while and so is he, we both enjoy going to the gun club and trying to improve our shooting abilities and with him being Autistic it's great to have something we can share and really connect with together. So far we shoot 22rf from a "military" type semi-auto GSG-5, why?, because for him it's a lot more fun that a bolt or semi "standard" rifle, he likes the way it looks and feels, he was brought up in a world where military type weapons are used in movies, TV shows and video games, that's what he's used to seeing being shot and therefore it's what he expects to use when he shoots. I am learning him about taking "the shot" not to just blast away and he's looking forward to using the .308 having tried a .50cal in the US at 1000m so shooting learns him patience and dicipline as well. It's no more or less dangerous than any other type of 22rf rifle. Next he will be using the Marlin .44 and 22rf pistol and I've just applied for membership for both of us with a full bore club so he will get to use the .308, all good experience for him and whats more important is it gives him (and me being his full time carer) a chance to get out of the house and meet people and socialise. Shooting is a great sport and we should all be united in our defence of it and not picking away at it from the inside, just because someone thinks a certain type of weapon isn't right doesn't make it so, only the law defines what is and isn't permissable and unfortunately we have all seen what an *** the law can be with regard to shooting, it doesn't need any help from us to make it any worse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 Some good points made, it'd be nice to see the OP come back and answer some of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 Something else that sprang to mind on a similar vane... I remember watching some news show or other a couple of years ago that was showing the 'horrified' police and their cache of 'rambo' style knives and 'tactical knives.' The reporter and Police officer was going on about how dangerous these items were and how much safer the streets now were since these "horrifying" weapons had been taken out of circulation... And yet.... almost all.... 99% of knife crime is and always has been committed with the good old kitchen knife... The analogy that anyone who likes or is in posession of 'military' style hardwear is in some way more dangerous or prone to become more dangerous does not stand at all... Anyone who is going to go on any kind of rampage will pick up the nearest implement that will do the job... If that was a .22 bolt action rabbit killer then that is what he would pick up... having access to military style hardwear, or access to 50 round magazines, just as shooting human shaped targets will not and cannot turn someone into a nutcase... If, as some have suggested on this thread, that was even a remote possibility, then you must be living on a real knife edge and personally, I would be concerned about my own mental health if that were the case rather than that of others... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 If, as some have suggested on this thread, that was even a remote possibility, then you must be living on a real knife edge and personally, I would be concerned about my own mental health if that were the case rather than that of others... :yes: Never once, in 30 years of private gun ownership, rifles pistols and shotguns has it ever crossed my mind for even a fleeting second, to use them for anything other than punching holes in paper, breaking pitch disks or harvesting wild food. Just the same as I've never considered misusing a knife or driving a car into a bus queue. I'm fairly certain I never will, but god forbid I ever do, I shall hand in my licence and myself PDQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soreshoulder Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 Sod using a 50 round mag for a rampage...they jam up far to easily :yp: The old saying fits perfectly - guns don't kill, people do... Regards, Gixer i think you will find it was ' Guns dont kill people, rappers do' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsm1968 Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 " well ma'am, you're equipped to be a prostitute but you're not one are you".... I like this one Some good points made, it'd be nice to see the OP come back and answer some of them His enthusiasm for counter arguments seems to have dwindled. Mungler must be right, we’re all wrong and he’s given us up as a lost cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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