al4x Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 Without seeing it it is hard to argue with them, you would assume GMK have had an on site expert look at it who knows the product. If it was a safety issue then they would fix it as sending you a written statement as they have would lead to serious damages if it failed. Clean it well and keep an eye on it would be my advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 (edited) I personally dont think that it is normal and would not accept what they have said . You must get GMK to put it in writing what they have said so that you can get a second opinion from the gun trade . when you have it in writing contact beretta and tell them how disappointed you are in the quality of the jointing of the barrels to the lumps and ask them to exchange the gun or give you your money back . GMK is peeing up your kilt . If GMK concider that your problem with your gun is normal then perhaps beretta owners who do not have this leak at the joint should send their guns back and ask for one that does leak . Start pulling arms off . Harnser . Edited June 20, 2011 by Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 I personally dont think that it is normal and would not accept what they have said . You must get GKN to put it in writing what they have said so that you can get a second opinion from the gun trade . when you have it in writing contact beretta and tell them how disappointed you are in the quality of the jointing of the barrels to the lumps and ask them to exchange the gun or give you your money back . GKN is peeing up your kilt . Start pulling arms off . Harnser . GMK not GKN.... I agree it's a tough one to call Legally your contract is with the Retailer nothing to do with GMK or Beretta as its the retailer you paid money too. There are some factors that allow you get your money back under Sale of goods act but is this a cosmetic issue? or a manufacturing defect? If your a BASC/CPSA member get on to them and see what they say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderdude Posted June 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 I agree it's a tough one to call Legally your contract is with the Retailer nothing to do with GMK or Beretta as its the retailer you paid money too. There are some factors that allow you get your money back under Sale of goods act but is this a cosmetic issue? or a manufacturing defect? If your a BASC/CPSA member get on to them and see what they say? Hadn't thought of that, thanks.... I'm waiting for another call at the moment from Gilsan to see exactly what has been said. I won't be collecting the gun until I have it in writing from GMK, then as has already been mentioned I will write to both them and Beretta voicing my displeasure. I accept if it is "normal" to have something like this, then so be it. But when it comes to trade in or sell on to someone else, chances are they will look at that and think "defect"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderdude Posted June 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 Right................ The leakage is flux, this is normal and will stop after a while depending on how you clean the gun and how much oil you use to wipe the barrels down. GMK workshop say they get roughly 3 calls a day from owners questioning the leakage, but it is absolutely normal and nothing to be worried about. Use the gun more, use a little less oil to wipe it down is the view then it will cease. With regards to this hole, although I stated several times I have not seen it on other models, they again are stating that it is there for a purpose. It is on all of the Silver Pigs, though it maybe in different locations. This is there to allow any flux, oil or moisture to bleed out. It is more apparant on some guns than others as the hole may vary in size, but again it is 100% normal. Gilsan have checked it against one they have in stock and they assure me that this too has the same hole. So, there you go... Maybe I am just being over sensitive about it and need to just use it more and clean it less. Right, lets get that dink out of the stock and get it traded..... I'm sure Gilsan will give me a good price against another model! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 I was considering one but not any more, first it looks like they have dropped standards and built down to a price, and second if that's their level of service and quality control, maybe Browning's are a more customer based company Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 I do sympathise Spiderdude and have been following this thread. I fear your negative thoughts about this gun may pervade through to your shooting and every time you miss (if you ever do...) you may blame it on the gun. So I can understand you wanting to get rid. It's a shame though. I love my SP1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodit Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 (edited) Well having read this thread just glad I prefer Brownings to Berettas. EDIT should have said Browning O/U's to Berettas got 2 semis and like them just fine. Edited June 21, 2011 by sodit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderdude Posted June 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 Done a lot of googling this evening, it appears Berettas are not the only ones where thus happens. OK, hole might be, but flux leaking seems to be across all makes going back many many years. So, we shall see. I'm certainly not saying all Berettas are gash, just that maybe this one is or the new ones are made more price conscious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jega Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 Well having read this thread just glad I prefer Brownings to Berettas +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 (edited) What did I say about the oil Spider, although I can’t see any holes on mine I really wouldn't worry and I wouldn't trade it in for another gun if its perfectly fine... Beretta wouldn't risk over 500 years and all their reputation because they wouldn't change 1 pair of barrels which would cost next to nothing. TRUST ME IF BERETTA AND GMK SAY ITS FINE, ITS FINE! stop worrying and enjoy shooting. Edited June 21, 2011 by Beretta Italy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canis Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 (edited) sodit, on 20 June 2011 - 08:27 PM, said: Well having read this thread just glad I prefer Brownings to Berettas +2 I'm with Sodit and Jega on this! There seems to be several horror stories about the new SP1's - is this simply because Beretta have sold millions already and we are hearing about 3 problems among millions of happy customers or is it that Beretta've got them knocked up for them in some dogy third world country to save costs at the expense of build quality Edited June 22, 2011 by Canis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Poor old Beretta, next thing you know they'll be fitting disc set strikers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 I was a bit concerned that this might be one of those 'personal problem' threads when I first read the title...but I digress Seems to me a good arguement for storing guns barrels down. Storing guns barrels up lets all the oils run down and is the cause of many stock failures around the breech end. The locks are not sealed against liquids and any will eventually soak into the wood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 yup it sounds fairly normal if you use much oil, the fact its flux mixing with the oil and leaking when you get it hot does sound plausible. certainly better than rust, I'd oil it a lot less and just use it with that diagnosis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shropshire_Lad Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 I used my new to me Silver Pigeon 111 at the czowners clay shoot last saturday, 80 sporting in the rain. The gun is a 2005 model and has only had 500 or so cartridges through it from new so after this thread was keen to inspect after the round. Sure enough there was a brown stain coming from where the rib/barrel/chamber join on the top barrel. A quick wipe with a oily cloth cleaned it straight off, so it would appear this has been going on for a while, I did shoot my best ever with it though so will deffo be keeping it! It looks to be very well jointed with no visable gaps anywhere so I don't know, hope it is just the flux thing as I realy like the gun. I do tend to over oil the outside as rusting in the cabinet is my biggest fear, time to cut down a little Lol. atvb Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerettaSV10 Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 I like the SP1's, don't think I will trading them in for others. Yes mine had the brown stuff coming out of the joint which has now stopped (at least for the moment). Got rid of the browning / Miruko for the SP 1's and get on much better with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 My brown leakage is getting less by the week. The SP1 is improving too. Seriously, my gun arrived extremely well oiled and I do wonder if it's to do with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiDriver Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 You don't get all this with a Hatsan Escort :P (Dons tin hat dives for cover...........) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ste12b Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 I have just got a brand new SP1 and no brown discharge noted on my gun yet. My dad has also had an SP1 for the last 6 months and no discharge noted from that either. Taxi drivers right though, my escort does not have any brown discharges and always works . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard.Hosgood Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Just to add, a couple of weeks ago after a 50 round sporting I had my first instance of brown discharge, which I cleaned off. I put 250 carts through it on sunday just gone and got no discharge at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickP Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 noticed a little bit of brown discharge with my SP1 on sunday after putting 130 through and the barrel was quite hot with it been a hot day too Little bit there but nothing to worry about, guns going great, no issues bar a slight water spotting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kszido Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 (edited) Hi, Having same problem with a DT11, Beretta sad its perfectly fine, but sure Doesn't seems so. I would upload a Photo, just cant find a way for that. Does anyone by any chance know where could I take the gun to make a verification (beside Beretta) for exemple in Slovenia? Thank you PS: Sorry for my english Edited October 28, 2013 by kszido Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Your English is fine Photobucket.com upload your picture to this first then use a link to upload to here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Take it to a proper gunsmith for his comments , a lot of dealers don't know one end of a gun from the other . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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