al4x Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 (edited) they do that in a few places doc, life expectancy of the dogs is pretty short though. Edited June 8, 2011 by al4x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 The argument bit was a Python quote and a poor attempt at humour. I know its a debate and a very enjoyable well mannered one it is too I'd still pay good money to watch you neck a wounded wild pig You've never seen my wife stuff a turkey at christmas poor thing is in a neck hold worthy of giant haystacks.... and when that forarm disapears up it's jacksie...... A hog wouldn't stand a chance :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 they do that in a few places doc, life expectancy of the dogs is pretty short though. I am sure they do but NZ is the only place that I have seen it happen, so thought I would confine my post to actual rather than stuff i have read in a magazine, if you know what I mean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 You've never seen my wife stuff a turkey at christmas poor thing is in a neck hold worthy of giant haystacks.... and when that forarm disapears up it's jacksie...... A hog wouldn't stand a chance :blink: mmmm like to meet your wife, she sounds fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 (edited) mmmm like to meet your wife, she sounds fun I really don't want to know ... do I :blink: Edited June 8, 2011 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 I really don't want to know ... do I :blink: no best not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 (edited) Believe it or not you do, not neck but stick with large knife, The boys out in NZ do this as sport, couple of dogs to hold pig at bay then in they go with a knife, sling piggy on back, (must be wearing a Swann Dry for that bit and yomp a couple of miles back to camp, as pig may be several hundred pounds, I always thought them a little mad, but thats Kiwis for you, no guts no glory. ie Barking " didn't want to embed this, copy the address minus the "" Only copy I could find that showed the whole sequence... Of course, If Ray had been there, he would have had it cooked and served up with dauphinoise potatoes, seasonal vegetables, possibly a stilton sauce and a nice bottle of chardonay in the time it takes girly Bear to dispach the poor little thing! Edited June 8, 2011 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 I am sure they do but NZ is the only place that I have seen it happen, so thought I would confine my post to actual rather than stuff i have read in a magazine, if you know what I mean I do, there are a few international shooting forums that have hog hunting with dogs sections, their hunt reports section makes our kind of hunting look very tame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Is this the 10 minute argument, or the full half hour? Arguably yes, and big commercial shoots as corporate entertainment isn't my thing either, but there is the subtle difference of a team of pickers up to ensure the wounded are dispatched. or a helicopter in a hover so the shooter can get some more roubds into the pig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Unless I`ve missed the answer amongst the other posts, what rifle was the bloke using? I want one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsm1968 Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 (edited) A thoughtful and thought provoking post and some good points made. I'll admit that my own contributions on this have been a little emotive and judgmental. It's still not something I'd want to do, but I recognise it might be the best practical solution to the problem. Best left to skilled and experienced professionals though, I still think it would be wrong to allow someone with a fat wallet bit zero skill/experience to take part, if that happens? Agreed on Hamsters post I am begining to think the problem is technology. This kind of thing has been going on for years and reported as "Urban myth". With you tube,my space etc. it is now instantly world wide. It would would be a debate all of it's own weather this sort of thing should be kept under cover, or the world educated on how we have to manage problems we created. The old Elephant culls were never filmed or talked about, but were accepted as required. I can assure you they would have started a larger debate. p.s I actually thought the second film was miles away from the first, showed far better shooting and also how effective slugs are I think the guys with 12ga autos would have used LG. Large game - 9 pellets per cart. Tight groups and good stopping power. I may be wrong, but I've only heard of people useing slugs on static targets. they do that in a few places doc, life expectancy of the dogs is pretty short though. baying up pigs with Blue tick hounds is exellent sport. ONLY FOR THE FIT!! You could expect to run miles and have to pull off a good shot at the end. Mess it up and the pig will injure the dogs. The vet bills can be huge, but again done for crop protection. Unless I`ve missed the answer amongst the other posts, what rifle was the bloke using? I want one. .223 rifle or 12ga auto. Before the 5.56 became the cart. of choice with NATO, a lot of people used .308 (7.62) Edited June 8, 2011 by gsm1968 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 I'm a bit surprised by some posts on this thread, especially given the posts on threads about required accuracy and hunting. For example, recently there was a thread on what accuracy you would be happy to hunt with. Many people said they wouldn't hunt if they couldn't get better than a 2" group, yet the guy in the chopper would struggle to get a 2 foot group around a killzone. Similarly, what would be the reaction if the shooter was in a high seat and was missing all around deer before luckily hitting one somewhere ? I'll wager there would be many cries of foul, and comments that the shooter should stick to paper targets, yet from the animals point of view there is no difference, both are hit in random places. Also, we've all seen animals hit and knocked down only for them to get up again and run off. How many of those hogs ran off after the chopper had passed ? Lastly, is that a 5.56mm ? If so, when did it become suitable for hogs ? Many hog hunters seem to reckon a heavy calibre rifle or 12g slug is required for a clean kill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpk Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 Bit off topic but don't the military ( in Canada I think) soley set up groups of people to trap and dispatch wild boar with a handgun? I'm sure I saw it on a Gordon Ramsay program a few years back ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted June 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 I'm a bit surprised by some posts on this thread, especially given the posts on threads about required accuracy and hunting. For example, recently there was a thread on what accuracy you would be happy to hunt with. Many people said they wouldn't hunt if they couldn't get better than a 2" group, yet the guy in the chopper would struggle to get a 2 foot group around a killzone. Similarly, what would be the reaction if the shooter was in a high seat and was missing all around deer before luckily hitting one somewhere ? I'll wager there would be many cries of foul, and comments that the shooter should stick to paper targets, yet from the animals point of view there is no difference, both are hit in random places. Also, we've all seen animals hit and knocked down only for them to get up again and run off. How many of those hogs ran off after the chopper had passed ? Lastly, is that a 5.56mm ? If so, when did it become suitable for hogs ? Many hog hunters seem to reckon a heavy calibre rifle or 12g slug is required for a clean kill. How would you control the pig problem then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airgunalex Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 this is the way to do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasper3 Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 They were not instant kills because he appeared to miss quite a bit. Every shot that hit the target seemed to do the job. I never saw any pigs move again after being hit To be honest, its not so much about the rights or wrongs on doing this, to me its answering the Original post question... I personaly wouldn't want to do it, as i would rather be in a position to know I could hit the thing with 1 shot that is also one reason i prefer the rifle to the shotgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 How would you control the pig problem then I would sneak up to within 704yds and nail them with the Airsporter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 Yep id have a go, looks great fun, must be expenive though. Is it a CAR15. You would definatly want something semi-auto at least for shooting them. P.S good theme tune to vid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted June 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 (edited) I would sneak up to within 704yds and nail them with the Airsporter. Great Edited June 9, 2011 by chrispti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 Great Fair comment I don't know how I'd shoot them, maybe some problems aren't suitable to deal with by shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted June 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 Fair comment I don't know how I'd shoot them, maybe some problems aren't suitable to deal with by shooting. So what other methods do you think would work Bearing in mind the chosen (tried and tested) method in which is currently used, does not; harm other animals, damage the country side. Is able to cover the massive amounts a land quickly and produce a decent sized bag which will (eventually) bring the pig numbers down to a controllable level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpk Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 On reflection I don't think there is really any other way, the problem is the vast expanse of land coupled with the speed at which the boars move. I think we would all like to shoot one at a time in a "stalking style scenario" but in this situation is unrealistic. This is probably the cleanest and quickest method possible in such an exspanse of land short of an apache helicopter with laser guided mounted mini-gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 So what other methods do you think would work Bearing in mind the chosen (tried and tested) method in which is currently used, does not; harm other animals, damage the country side. Is able to cover the massive amounts a land quickly and produce a decent sized bag which will (eventually) bring the pig numbers down to a controllable level. It's difficult I agree. My post on this thread was really more to do with the conflicting ethics of on the one hand striving for great accuracy and humane kills yet on the other hand supporting what can only be described as random shots at animals. Should we really support these random shots, done for financial reasons, just because we haven't figured out a better way yet ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 No, simple as. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 (edited) There is only so far "fun" should go. If your fun is injuring lots of hogs for your buzz then I really start to doubt whether, when you say you treat animals with the respect they deserve, that you actually do... Also, in reply to the comment I saw about every shot he hit the hog died, keep watching till it takes 10 and the hog eventually gives up... Very sporting and humane.. yes. Edited June 9, 2011 by Beretta Italy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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