il cacciatore Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Just bought a Winchester 1200. It is in fine condition but a previous owner has let the barrel go slightly rusty on the outside with the bore in very fine condition. Its been lightly sanded with a fine grade sandpaper to get rid of the rust. As I bought this as a cheap 'work' gun ie. a gun that I dont need to worry about getting broken/scratched/scraped etc. then it will do me fine as is. BUT everytime I look at the barrel like this I feel that something must be done to make it look better. I've heard that there are 're-blueing' kits out there. Has anyone tried them and are they worth while? Anything else I could consider doing? How can I tell how old the gun is? Thanks very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 you wouldnt get a good match on the edges of the touch up and would probably make it look worse than it currently is. If you want a good looking barrel the best way is a full re blue from someone who knows what they are doing. Expensive but the only sure way to get a good quality blue. The kits are good for small touch ups or for blueing new pieces of metal (parts), but difficult to get a very nice finish with. The finish also comes off very easily with these blueing kits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kip270 Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Hard work if you ask me. First job would be to sand the barrel down so you have bare metal, this is the most important part. You have to get a mirror finish, so work with very fine paper. When you get that, you are then ready for the blueing process. Make sure you read the instructions a few times so you know what to do without refering to the instructions. Time is of the essence to get an even finish. Good luck (nope i wouldn't do it again) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 I was told you can NEVER get a factory finish with a DIY blue kit as the Factories use either Arsenic or Syanide (spelling) in the process There are people who do Blueing on a barrel for about £50 which I think is a fair price. I was just going to get MY action case hardened for free by my brother in law He works restoring steam trains and has lots of cool toys at work :look: There is a Lad on the BBS does Blueing and i think ISP do blueing too but not sure on prices??? LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 you wouldnt get a good match on the edges of the touch up and would probably make it look worse than it currently is. If you want a good looking barrel the best way is a full re blue from someone who knows what they are doing. Expensive but the only sure way to get a good quality blue. The kits are good for small touch ups or for blueing new pieces of metal (parts), but difficult to get a very nice finish with. The finish also comes off very easily with these blueing kits. Dunganick is exactly right. I have a friend of mine who does blueing for the trade, and the blueing from "Do it yourself kits" simply rubs off without too much effort if it is in a place that is in contact with anything. It you do want to go down this road you have to get a mirror finish, and this is best achieved by using a buff on a polishing wheel - this is how the trade do it, and I have done 100's of barrels in the past. Then completely degrease it, and away you go. But, it will never be as good as trade blueing, and it is impossible to blend in the kit blueing with an area that is already blued. Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Cheap work gun+no-mar guntape = Happy Italian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il cacciatore Posted April 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 (edited) Is the trade re-blueing a more hard wearing finish? Do the trade use a blueing kit or do they do it with heat? Cheap work gun+no-mar guntape = Happy Italian Good idea that. I read on an American website that a 1300 multicoke barrel will go straight onto the 1200. Edited April 10, 2006 by il cacciatore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il cacciatore Posted April 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 (edited) Just put up some pictures of the sanding. Winchester Barrel The bolt looks kind of dull too, was thinking I could polish it up but dont know the type of metal so dont know what the ultimate result will be. Could paint it black I guess but think the paint will end up flaking off. Winchester bolt Please excuse the photochopping, need to practice with it. Edited April 12, 2006 by il cacciatore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 i wouldnt bother mate. I dont know what you paid for the gun, but just leave it as it is and call it a working gun. This No Mar tape is good stuff, and was on a shotgun i recently bought, came off with no problem and didnt leave any sticky stuff. The blueing quality on that gun dosent look amazing from the pictures (quite dull) and i suspect the blueing kits would bring up the new patch too bright and mirror like. But trust me they would rub off in no time anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Is a crying shame to see those sanding marks on the barrel I use a fine grade steel wool and plenty 3 in 1 oil to stop it marking the barrel. I was thinking of getting one of mine powder coated as it only costs around £50 for the whole gun but i just oiled it instead. Too much hard work bunging up the breech barrel and bolt etc etc for the powder coating If the A5 don't sell it's exactly what i will do with that to get some kind of idea what it will look like incase i need to do it in future LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il cacciatore Posted April 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 (edited) Powder coated like they do with alloy wheels? Silver or black? Wonder what it would look like. Edited April 12, 2006 by il cacciatore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 I will be going stupid and getting a metalic Blue or Red i guess Loads of metalic colours to choose from so i will be taking a gander at finishes etc first LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe312 Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 what about electra plating? cheap enough. range of colours matt and gloss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Just don't know any electro platers near to mine and i have had my motorbike frames powdercoated before and the jobs were spot on. LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno 357 Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Powder coated like they do with alloy wheels? Silver or black? Wonder what it would look like. Don't think thats powder coating. Maybe anodising perhaps Jonno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno 357 Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 I had a mate who worked years ago at an electroplating company. He used to chrome plate all the stuff for the scooter boys on the side, and made a tidy some Black Jap plating ? Jonno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Jonno Powder coating IS used on alloy wheels that part of the reason i found the company who does the coating LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il cacciatore Posted April 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 How does it work if I were wanting my barrel powdercoated, just take it along to the powdercoaters and leave it with them to be done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 You would need to mask up any areas which you don't want coated, an electric charge is put through the meatl which makes the powder stick and it is then baked to make the powder melt into a plastic coating. I personally wouldn't bother doing anything to your auto. just use it and enjoy the shooting Cheers Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Less than a day I took my Bike frame to the Bead Blasters and they blasted it and then dropped the frame at the coaters on the morning after Frame was done by the afternoon As i say i am thinking of asking them if they will do one of my Semis for me Will need to strip it down and take the receiver and barrel down Also have to ask them if it needs sand blasted as if so i have to bung the breech and muzzle of the barrel. Easy enough just an old cork will do the muzzle and the breech i will tape over as i dont want powder on the bit that slides into the receiver or it wont fit Will be a totally bespoke gun LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe312 Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Just don't know any electro platers near to mine and i have had my motorbike frames powdercoated before and the jobs were spot on. LG Northumbria Plating Ltd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Cheers Coupe I found one in Blyth called Turnbulls and have asked for a quote as they do Derusting and degreasing as well as electroplating. I will weigh up the cost of the Electro plating and the Powder coating and see which is a cheaper option. The electro plating i would assume would be harder to keep out of areas i didn't want it in as it is a liquid they use And as you know liquids tend to get everywhere At least with the powdercoating it's more controlable. The gun is stripped ready i gutted it in minuets (first time ) i only hope i remember how it goes back together LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il cacciatore Posted April 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 I think they will heat the barrel up to high temperatures and thus either distort it or it'll lose its mechanical strength to do the powder coating. Dont know how they do the electro-plating though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGJON Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 (edited) You could always get the gun realtree dipped... Not sure how expensive it is, but it can make a scruffy gun look great. Im sure someone here will have an idea on pricing. Just found an old thread click here Edited April 12, 2006 by BIGJON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 I can't find a website all i can get is an address and a phone number LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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