RoBBo Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 I've just ordered this Rifle http://www.airsportdirect.com/acatalog/SMKB2Carbine.html the 1 down the bottom for £42 now do i get the .177 OR the .22 im new to shooting but i see the .177 bullets are smaller but have a greater velocity the .177 has a max velocity of 755ft/sec and the .22 at 555ft/sec or something like that , wont that extra speed make up for the smaller bullet ? in other words which has more power and will kill a pigeon better ? the fast smaller 1 or slower more powerful 1 or do they have the same power , I've already ordered the .177 but am thining of changing it to .22 so please reply quick anyone gona help ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatingisbest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 (edited) take my advice! I have a b2 and either calibre wont hit a barn door! You wont hit anything to use it on animals isnt good because if you do hit it by some miracle you wont kill it. Buy something good secondhand! PM me if you want advice on a different gun! Edited May 1, 2006 by beatingisbest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoBBo Posted May 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 are they really that bad ? it is my 1st rifle im not gona get anything to flashy just yet but will this do the job ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theskyfox Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 If you can group with it and hit a target at 30 yards consistently with it then I cant see why not (provided you get a good shot in the correct kill zone). Are they feral pigeons or wood pigeons? I must add that Ive found wood pigeons incredibly tough...ive had trouble before dropping them with a .22 at 11.8Ftlbs. Headshots are the only real guarantee, and that is tricky! I think .177 and .22 are both fatal at the power we are talking about, so I wouldnt worry if you got it in .177. -Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davej Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Beatingisbest is right I bought one for my son all over the place cheap naff gun put a little more £ to it get a good s/h one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoBBo Posted May 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 ok now im worried lol it says its a best seller so i thought cant be that **** if anybody can point out a Rifle on that site that is value for money then please do so and post it here , im looking to spend under £100 for my 1st rifle any help would be great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 if anybody can point out a Rifle on that site that is value for money then please do so and post it here , im looking to spend under £100 for my 1st rifle any help would be great there isn't one go second hand mate its the only way for that sort of money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatingisbest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 (edited) if you had to buy something on THAT site under £100 i would probably get this for an extra £18 http://www.airsportdirect.com/acatalog/Cometa300.html I would get some other opinions though. Definatly steer way clear of SMK. There is a reason they are £29.95! Edited May 1, 2006 by beatingisbest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoBBo Posted May 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 there are loads on there for £80 exc. are they all useless for shooting pigeons ? lol i dont have a clue like i say im new Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davej Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 I take it you have spent your money with them so are stuck with this retailer Cometa are better Ihave had good groups with one of these. Only my opinion I prefer Air Arms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatingisbest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Have you sorted it yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackthorn Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 my mate bought his son one of them b2, could no hit a barn door with it, got disheartened gave up shooting all together. as for getting moor people in to shooting there's one they failed with. don't matter witch caliber .177 .22 they both kill. go with the cometa its a good starter rifle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reefman Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Steer well clear of Chinese,Russian or similar junk. Your best bet for a first springer is something like a BSA meteor if you are a youngster or a second hand supersport or similar they kick out about 10 /11ft lbs respectivly. My first gun (30 yrs ago) was a relum tornado,I'd have been better off throwing it at Bunnies. I then bought a BSA meteor from a second hand shop and had loads of rabbits and rooks with it. If you do opt for the meteor you can get a spring upgrade which makes it kick out 11.8 ftlbs. Think of the B2 as a Lada or a wartburg,(cars) then you'll get my drift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COLINSRI Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 There are a few good springers for sale on here at the moment. Have a look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roblade Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 yep i agree with a couple of others up there or the money it would have to be one of the cometa rifles i dont think there is much to choose from between the two and whe you come to resell you rifle to upgrade it will be worth a bit more than the SMK rifle you were ti nking of. ROB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude9012 Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 my advice is to get the 22 if u try hitting a pigoen with a .177 it will think u shot a fly at it seriously it takes alot to take them down i shoot one yesterday with my 22 clean in the chest he didnt come down till about 15 yards :good: luke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 When you get a GOOD rifle (not SMK etc) then BOTH .177 & .22 are fine for pigeons but use a flat of short domed pellet as I found pointed pellets travel through and cause MINIMAL damage. You want a pellet thet causes MAXIMUM trauma like a Hollow or Flat or a VERY shallow dome it's 3 factors not just one Factor one the Shooter Factor 2 the Gun Factor 3 the Ammunition LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stupidsalmon Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 (edited) Webley Exocet Try this mate, I know it £40 more than you were intending to pay, however it has a nice scope on it also. The first ever airgun i owned was one of these and i got on very well with it. Cheers SS Edited May 8, 2006 by stupidsalmon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COLINSRI Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 I have been using a .177 on pigeons, coupled with pointed pellets. I found that the pellets passed through the bird and unfortunately they flew away maimed. Now, when using the .177 i simply do not pull the trigger unless i can secure a head shot. I have used a .22 tx200 with domed pellets over the weekend and the pigeons were dropping much more easily with both head and chest shots. Three factors have contributed to this 1) bigger pellet 2) more powerful rifle 3) not using pointed pellets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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