Farmer-of-the-Futre Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Hey all, I have had a call from a guy selling an s410 and i am rather interested but it is one of the older versions with the power adjuster (anti-tamper) i think thats what its called! Anyway will these rifles go over 12ft lbs and if so can they still be owned by people that dont have an FAC? Thanks, Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northeastshooter Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 they can be turned up yes but if it is above 12ft lb its classes as a FAC air rifle and would require an FAC but if its sub 12ft lb then its legal to own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MogsAA Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Im pretty sure the power adjuster only comes on the S410 xtra model which is FAC only, on my pre anti tamper model there is no power adjuster hope this helps Safe shooting MogsAA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.I.A Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 There is a little screw you can turn to up or lower the power on the older versions. However i wouldnt imagine it could take it over the limit without other mods. Even so get it crono'd before you buy and never mess with it, if you go over by .1 of a FT/LBS you would be in the shi* big style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowz Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 from the way you have worded it, it sounds like you want to know if "you" can shoot it over 12ftlbs without an FAC?? That you can not thats why they are FAC rated air rifles and need an FAC to posses and use one. As it is now is it FAC rated or sub 12ftlbs? the problem with air rifles and the PCP variety is if you have it set up close to FAC limits one day, the next day if warmer it could tip it over the limit and you have and FAC air rifle without an a FAC. Best to get it over a chrono before buying it else the problem lands on your lap not his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer-of-the-Futre Posted September 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 It is one of the older versions, prehaps not the 'anti tamper' im not quite sure what that is, im guessing it means you can change the power :unsure: So if it is one of the older ones that has the power adjuster to i need an FAC? or is it okay aslong as i keep it turned down under 12ft lbs? Sorry for the bad explinations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowz Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 doesnt matter if it is adjustable or not keep it under 12ftlbs and your ok go over and your in trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer-of-the-Futre Posted September 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 doesnt matter if it is adjustable or not keep it under 12ftlbs and your ok go over and your in trouble Thanks. So it will be fine to own and shoot even if it 'can' go over 12 ft lbs? Just checking, dont want to make a deal and find out i need an FAC :blink: he said he is running it about 11.6 i have no need to go higher than that anyway. No point taking the risk and getting it too close to 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.I.A Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 I'd say its a very grey area. I would just buy one that has the anti tamper installed at least you can feel safe in the knowledge that it is factory set. There is far much more too loose than to gain from a few extra FT/LBS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 (edited) The older 400/10 can be adjusted. It can be adjusted to well over 12ft/lb. If you adjust it over 12ft/lb it would then require you to have it on a FAC. Simple answer is don't adjust it over 12 ft/lb. If you've been playing with it I'd get it chrono'd a bit sharpish and likewise if you are unsure of it's output, if you intend to regularly try and tweak it then buy a chronograph. My S400 when I first got it had been played with, fortunately I got the dealer to check it before I took it..."Bloody Hell!" he muttered, "It's running at 18.5 ft/lb!". It was swiftly recalibrated to 11.2, far more sensible! All the time the output is below 12 it's fine to use, regardless of the fact that it COULD be more powerful, it isn't. As a footnote, I'd be a little concerned with it running at 11.6 myself, different temperatures and even pellets can alter the velocity, it may be 11.6 with one pellet but higher with another, at 11.6 there's not much room for error. Edited September 7, 2011 by -Mongrel- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer-of-the-Futre Posted September 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 The older 400/10 can be adjusted. It can be adjusted to well over 12ft/lb. If you adjust it over 12ft/lb it would then require you to have it on a FAC. Simple answer is don't adjust it over 12 ft/lb. If you've been playing with it I'd get it chrono'd a bit sharpish and likewise if you are unsure of it's output, if you intend to regularly try and tweak it then buy a chronograph. My S400 when I first got it had been played with, fortunately I got the dealer to check it before I took it..."Bloody Hell!" he muttered, "It's running at 18.5 ft/lb!". It was swiftly recalibrated to 11.2, far more sensible! All the time the output is below 12 it's fine to use, regardless of the fact that it COULD be more powerful, it isn't. As a footnote, I'd be a little concerned with it running at 11.6 myself, different temperatures and even pellets can alter the velocity, it may be 11.6 with one pellet but higher with another, at 11.6 there's not much room for error. Thanks Mongrel, thats the awnser ive been looking for I have not yet got the gun ( i have been speeking to someone who rang up to sell it to me) I would like to get it and not many come up around my area at a good price and i hope good condition like this one seems to be. I would proberbly take it down to around 11 to be safe and prehaps try to cover the screw so i dont accidently move it. Thanks, Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.I.A Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 The screw is or should be covered by a grub screw any way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLH1966 Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 (edited) Thanks. So it will be fine to own and shoot even if it 'can' go over 12 ft lbs? Just checking, dont want to make a deal and find out i need an FAC :blink: he said he is running it about 11.6 i have no need to go higher than that anyway. No point taking the risk and getting it too close to 12 I have an S210 MKI, it also has the adjuster on it, when I bought it, it was running at 19ftlbs, the gunsmith turned it down to 11.6 & I shoot it at that. Edited September 7, 2011 by PLH1966 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer-of-the-Futre Posted September 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 Thanks guys! sorry for the bad explination to start with I know you will think im mad but i am hoping to sell my air ranger for the s410, it will be handy to have that bit more money to spend on things like bipods ect and the ranger just feels too much for me in a way, i dont need a gun that expensive and i have heard alot of people say this recently 'it doesnt matter what one is the most expensive, go with what feels best and what you shoot best with' well when i did shoot an s410 it felt like it was tailor made for me and i shot better with it than i ever have done with my ranger! So if i can get it sold hopefully the s410 may be coming my way Thanks, Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 The power adjuster is under a security torx screw on the right side of the rifle above the trigger. On newer models the security torx is replaced with a tiny shear bolt. It will go over the limit by quite an amount but you would be stupid to use it like that and risk losing any licence you have along with getting a criminal record. Mine is set at 11FPE and will kill bunnies at up to 50yards. You don't need to take the risk of getting too close to the limit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willy1 Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 The other thing to remember is, if it's over 12ft/lbs and is classed as FAC,then turning it down doesn't make it non FAC, ONCE FAC ALWAYS FAC. Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipper Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 (edited) as far as i understand it ,,, if you have an external way of adjusting(i.e thumb wheels or stocks machined for access to allen heads) the power output and that power output can go beyond 12ftlb you will be done for having an FAC fire arm , even if your using it set at below 12ftlb at the time . Edited September 7, 2011 by snipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 (edited) as far as i understand it ,,, if you have an external way of adjusting(i.e thumb wheels or stocks machined for access to allen heads) the power output and that power output can go beyond 12ftlb you will be done for having an FAC fire arm , even if your using it set at below 12ftlb at the time . You understand it wrong then. Many people myself included own a air rifle Mk1 Rapid 7 in my case that could if wanted be turned up very easily. Nothing illegal about it. (so long as its not turned up of course) Edited September 7, 2011 by Luckyshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 You understand it wrong then. Many people myself included own a air rifle Mk1 Rapid 7 in my case that could if wanted be turned up very easily. Nothing illegal about it. (so long as its not turned up of course) As the man says, if it's not producing more than 12ft/lb, it's irrelevant as to what it could make. If it's set legally, it's a legal air rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLH1966 Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 As the man says, if it's not producing more than 12ft/lb, it's irrelevant as to what it could make. If it's set legally, it's a legal air rifle. Agreed - many Springers can easily go over the 12ftlb limit just by adding a couple of preload washers, doesn't make them FAC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 The AAS400/410 CAN be FAC power, there is a Torx security screw that covers the adjuster as has been said. Keep it set between 11-11.5ft/lb because if plod test it they will test it with many different pellets to see what the gun runs hottest with, and then use that reading. The only hing is the AAS400/410 will go FAC power but not much over 20ft/lb or so im told so if you want a FAC version get the S410 Extra and throw out up to 36ft/lb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipper Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 missing the point ............. if it adjustable externally and is 'capable' of going over 12ftlb im not talking about extra washers in a springer :blink: any airgun is capable but if you have say an allen key sticking out of the back of the breech ect you have a section 1 in your hands ring your FLO if you dont believe me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubshot Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 All Precharged Air Guns are Capable of Exceeding the Sub 12FP Rule If fitted with or without AT Seals It's down to shooter to keep it below in all weathers - As Precharged Air Gun do run higher on Warmer / Hot Day's A FAC Air Gun is Only valid if listed on someones FAC Certificate As Most Tickets are very restricted as to how many FAC Air Gun's can be held and any one time Most Forces - FEO's BOB/R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan-250 Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 (edited) My s410 got tested at 11.6, thought I would see what it will do, in a safe place just into the floor and chrono'd at 16.8 so yes can go over. All turned back down now and at 11.5 which is fine for me and the ranges I shoot. Again this is behind a Allen key bolt mine must of been replaced as it's not a torx. I heard aslong as you can't adjust it without taking something out. I.e not getting to the screw easily. Edited September 8, 2011 by dan-250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.I.A Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 I don't think anyone can say it is or is not legal to have one that can be turned up. Until it's tryed in court none of us can say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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