miffy Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Miffy may be an exception( I think he was unlucky) but even in his case with only 2k through the gun, does he regret it, I think not. I too think that i was unlucky but even if 2000 shots was the norm i would still have been more than happy to rebarrel/ buy new rifle. Of the 2000+ shots put through the .22/250 more than 75% has has been at live quarry. I have shot plenty with the .22/250 including crows, rats, rabbits, fox, pigeons etc. and the memories from the outings i have had with that rifle are worth so much more than the cost of having to rebarrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bear Posted June 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Thats what I'd hoped you would say miffy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Of the 2000+ shots put through the .22/250 more than 75% has has been at live quarry. I have shot plenty with the .22/250 including crows, rats, rabbits, fox, pigeons etc. and the memories from the outings i have had with that rifle are worth so much more than the cost of having to rebarrel And that should be the essence to all our shooting. The cartridges that I use for clay shooting have gone up in price from £103 to £120 per 1000 since I last bought some But that is a small price to pay for the fun and social aspect of clay shooting with like minded people. Cheers Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mry716 Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Firstly let me apologize to Martin, sometimes what one says does not always transfer as intended and it seems as if this was the case here. It was not my intention to come over as being 'Arsey' in fact the opposite as I did not wish to enter into a discussion that could end up just being another back biting session. I have no time for that and I know others feel the same way. So if I might offer a couple of facts. Powder for centrefire cartridges all tends to burn at approx the same temperature around 3000-3300F degrees. Iron, out of the ground, melts at around 1510 degrees C (2750°F). Steel often melts at around 1370 degrees C (2500°F). This leaves a big margin as I tried to explain for the hot gasses hitting the lands to slowly 'burn' them away. This is what causes a barrel to be called 'shot out' and although most people would rebarrel at this stage there is no need. If the barrel profile allows you to take the thread further to the muzzle as with a Varmint or target 'heavy' barrel you can cut off a couple of inches at the breech end and re chamber and the barrel will be as good as new. This can be done as long as the profile allows rethreading and the length of barrel allows complete combustion of the powder used. I can offer you some info re 'pistols with 12" -14" barrels offering 1.25" accuracy at 1/4 of a mile and some were just made from so called 'scrap' rifle barrels. I trust that helps clarify the situation as I see it. M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 MRY, Thank you for the apology, there was no need for one. As I put this is a discussion forum and that is what we have been doing. I have no wishes to become involved in a back biting argument. I think we can both see where each other is coming from and probably best to leave it there. As no-one else is posting they are either scared to join in in case they get bitten or have lost interest and gone shooting. Either way I can't blame them. Have fun :yp: All the best Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mry716 Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Have fun All the best Martin Thanks - will do as I'm out after hares again tonight. I ran out of ammo last night only took 50 rds with me but did shoot 32 on one field, albeit a big one, from one spot in 3/4 hour. I tell you what that 22-250 heavy barrel was nearly glowing ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sniper Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Bear, Yes, I must admit that I burned out a Remi VS 223, a number of years ago. I bought it at the same time I started handloading. I was using 25.8 gr of Vit 133 and 50 gr V max. During testing sessions of the handloads, in the search for the ultimate handload, it was not uncommon for me to shoot off 10 -15 shots, without a break. How I regret that. The barrel was burned out, that is the rifling was virtually non exisitent, after 1500 shots. I put down this " burning out" to my over exuberance and not letting the barrel cool down. Possibly I may have tried quite a few "hot " loads through it as well. I have since bought a VSSF and that is never fired for more than 5 shots without a break. My cleaning regime was Hoppes after every outing, and JB compound after every 200. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curly87 Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Um one of my mates dad's brother, new a bloke in which his dads grand son once had a barrel blow up on him wasnt a pretty sight or so i hear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Quote taken from Lilja Precision rifle barrels Incidentally, neither of these barrels had been frozen or had any moly coated bullets fired through them. As a very rough rule of thumb I would say that with cartridges of .222 Remington size you could expect an accurate barrel life of 3-4000 rounds. And varmint type accuracy should be quite a bit longer than this. For medium size cartridges, such as the .308 Winchester, 7x57 and even the 25-06, 2-3000 rounds of accurate life is reasonable. Hot .224 caliber type cartridges will not do as well and 1000-2500 rounds is to be expected. Bigger magnum hunting type rounds will shoot from 1500-3000 accurate rounds. But the bigger 30-378 Weatherby types won't do as well, being closer to the 1500 round figure. These numbers are based on the use of stainless steel barrels. For chrome-moly barrels I would reduce these by roughly 20%. The .17 and .50 calibers are rules unto themselves and I'm pressed to predict a figure. The best life can be expected from the 22 long rifle barrels with 5000-10,000 accurate rounds to be expected. Remember that predicting barrel life is a complicated, highly variable subject. You are the best judge of this with your particular barrel. Signs of accurate barrel life on the wane are increased copper fouling, lengthened throat depth, and decreased accuracy. ................................................................................ ................................................................................ ............................... Just useless info I know ............So take the above passage as a generalisation I have shot the throat out of a 10 /22 ........8000 rds Mis -use and poor maintenance will no doubt shorten the life of any rifled barrel ..........Air rifles being the exception as they are a different kettle of fish Enjoyed the debate between mry716 and martincavie Jonno ...........feel free to paticipate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curly87 Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 sorry couldnt help my self, all i can say is that i have fired a .308 with i think a magnum charge behinde it or summit and they recomended only putting 700 rounds through it and then replace the barrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 [ Frank.........aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa................thats a 223 burnt out aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhh the horror ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sorry, what are you on about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sniper Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 I think fister is referring to my 223, that I burnt out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 I think fister is referring to my 223, that I burnt out. Strange , dont know what that has to do with me. About the JB compound Sniper, i got told never to use it, as it wears barrels. So have never touched the stuff and have never had a problem. Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 (edited) . Edited September 4, 2009 by JohnGalway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 I think fister is referring to my 223, that I burnt out. Strange , dont know what that has to do with me. After taste from the .223 22-250 debate maybe? John Yeah, probably John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 (edited) . Edited September 4, 2009 by JohnGalway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 Selective memory Frank. Thats 1-1. Not that anyones counting, sure ye two aren't married?? (Only kidding now no need for anyone to get offended ) John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 (edited) . Edited September 7, 2009 by JohnGalway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 The best life can be expected from the 22 long rifle barrels with 5000-10,000 accurate rounds to be expected. That is absolute piffle. My Anschutz 1913 has had over 80,000 rds through it and still shoots into the X-ring. The test rifles at Eley have even more put through them before they are changed. Blimey, at that rate you would be changing barrels on your .22rf every 12 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sniper Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Frank, You asked about the JB compound. I only use it after every 200 cartridges or so, and very lightly then. It does do the job of getting the copper fouling off. It's not caused any excess wear in my barrels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bear Posted June 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Frank is right about the JB. Dont touch it, its an abrasive whose use is unneccessary if chemical cleaning is done properly, just ask Mr MacMillan who knows about these things. And how do you know its not wearing the barrel just as much as extra rounds through it, do you use a borescope and trained eye. I wouldnt feel up to checking that one out so i stick to what the boys in the "Know" say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Frank is right about the JB. Dont touch it, its an abrasive whose use is unneccessary if chemical cleaning is done properly, just ask Mr MacMillan who knows about these things. And how do you know its not wearing the barrel just as much as extra rounds through it, do you use a borescope and trained eye. I wouldnt feel up to checking that one out so i stick to what the boys in the "Know" say. We agree on something then Fister. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bear Posted June 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Im sure we would agree on a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Better buy a hat, I can feel a wedding coming up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Better buy a hat, I can feel a wedding coming up Stop it, your making me blush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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