PotHunter96 Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 i will soon be getting a gundog (a spaniel unless anything changes) and was wondering what do i do with regards to training i have never myself owned a dog let alone trained one and need advise as to what i train it when i train it with regards to age and that but more importantly...what order do i train all the commands, i assume you start with basic obedience(sit,stay,come back and heel)but then after that i dont really know, especialy with how i make the dog stop to flush and also is the turn command essential?? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiLisCer Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 Hi Get yourself a book or two and have a read - they will have different ideas of how to achieve the same goal. Once you have your pup, you will need to decide/find out which method works for you and your dog (No two dogs are the same) - stick to what works and don't be tempted to chop and change. Above all try and use positive methods as opposed to punishment based training. If you PM me your E-mail address, Ill send you something to read. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul@Ribchester Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 I read a book called Training The Rough shooter's Dog by P.R.A Moxon and based all my Labs training on that. She has turned out a fantastic beating, peg and wild fowling dog. Ihave s ince read a lot of other books but I still find myself going back to the ones written by Moxon. You should be able to get them or order them from your local library. Hope this is some help, Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotHunter96 Posted December 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 Hi Get yourself a book or two and have a read - they will have different ideas of how to achieve the same goal. Once you have your pup, you will need to decide/find out which method works for you and your dog (No two dogs are the same) - stick to what works and don't be tempted to chop and change. Above all try and use positive methods as opposed to punishment based training. If you PM me your E-mail address, Ill send you something to read. Mike thank you very much! shall i PM you my email on pigeon watch or? I read a book called Training The Rough shooter's Dog by P.R.A Moxon and based all my Labs training on that. She has turned out a fantastic beating, peg and wild fowling dog. Ihave s ince read a lot of other books but I still find myself going back to the ones written by Moxon. You should be able to get them or order them from your local library. Hope this is some help, Paul. thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiLisCer Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 thank you very much! shall i PM you my email on pigeon watch or? thank you Yes on Pigeon Watch - you could always PM me on another forum - but I probably wouldn't be a member there Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vixen. Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 Training Spaniels by Joe Irving is a good book for beginners who want/need a bit of direction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattslaptop247 Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 Training spaniels and gundogs their learning chain both by joe irving are excellent books Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labstaff Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 (edited) Matt beat me too it, Joe Irvings, Gundogs....their learning chan is excellent. You could also consider the David Lisset DVD. You could also consider one to one training (there is a spaniel trainer in ashbourne, Sandford Kennels, don't know much about him though) or group lessons (Dove Valley Gundogs for instance) Edited December 16, 2011 by labstaff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GW80 Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 Keith Erlandsons book isn't bad but to be honest invest a few quid and buy Davie Lissets DVD! First DVD i have that will actually show you a dog going wrong and how to correct! Plus i have a dog out of pepper! You won't go far wrong listening to davies advise!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Get some books do some reading but also get a mentor. You need an independant person who knows what they are looking at to assess things on an ongoing basis IMO as a first timer and help with error correction in both you and the dog. Most pro trainers run training days and once you and your dog are known to them and you have been crossing thier palm with silver are not against the odd call for help. Books and DVDs are great but unfortunatly can only be a guide as all dogs are a little different. The only hard advice other than that is have a very clear picure in your mind what you want this dog to do in the field, then stick to it and train for it. Adapt the way you train to suit the individual dog (ie don't do what don't work do what does) but never switch the goals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straightbarrel Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 (edited) i will soon be getting a gundog (a spaniel unless anything changes) and was wondering what do i do with regards to training i have never myself owned a dog let alone trained one and need advise as to what i train it when i train it with regards to age and that but more importantly...what order do i train all the commands, i assume you start with basic obedience(sit,stay,come back and heel)but then after that i dont really know, especialy with how i make the dog stop to flush and also is the turn command essential?? thanks Ground-work needs to be in place first,as Kent says, you need a clear precise picture in your own mind on exactly what you expect from the dog but not only what you expect from it, what others will expect from it on a working day. In my opinion, it is better to listen, watch and learn from as many different people, dvd's,books and all the things you see on you tube and other internet sites, then just pick the snipets of information that seem to be constant throughout and go with them. Without wanting to offend anyone,you are probably better off taking advice from people you know to have been successful in training gundogs,people that are recognised and respected within the gundog world. The dvd's of Openshaw, Martin, Lisset will all be very helpful to you. The books by Irving are excellent, in particular 'Gundog Training, The Trade Secrets'. All will help you build a picture of how you aim to achieve the best results. You must aim for high standards, the kind of standards all of these pro trainers expect from their own dogs, there is no reason, once equiped with sufficient knowledge, why you should not end up with a dog to be proud of at the end of the day.The other consideration, once you are confident enough in your own knowledge, is to then try and find a well bred dog. Something that has a decent FTCh history within it's pedigree, preferably a pup from parents you know or have seen working. This, in my opinion, especially for someone new to dogs and gundog training, is the crucial ingredient. Once you have something that you know comes from a very capable background, then the rest is up to you. It is not rocket science, as long as you have a clear picture and you are consistent you will succeed. Good luck. Edited December 17, 2011 by straightbarrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotHunter96 Posted December 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 thanks everyone really helpful comments! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiny tim Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 another vote for joe irving training spanials by joe irving is basic step by step and easy to understand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arwen3513 Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 try and find a training group near you and go along to a few sessions, watch some novice and experienced dogs in training get talking to the other handlers, take your dog along as soon as he is old enough. you'll make new friends and get loads of advice and some offers to meet up and train together inbetween sessions. good luck jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocker boy Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 get the david lissett set of dvds and have as many lessons as you can afford with a GOOD trainer . There are lots and lots of poor trainers out there so choose carefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson_tom Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Not too sure about gundog traning, i am having that fun next year when i get my springer. I currently have a collie who is now 10/11 months old and one thing that makes a big difference is socialising them with other dogs from a young age. I have found him to be a lot better than any of my previous dogs as we did this by taking him to classes etc, you also get a few good tips about training your dog that you might not pick up in reading. We find as he is used to being and working around other dogs he does not get excited too much when he sees them and still works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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