dan-250 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 That's a very nice offer of you, I work in Gainsborough at amp rose and I'm claying at blyton on Saturday, but I don't like using other peoples guns incase anything does go wrong. Especially without you there. I've heard they are fine with 28gram loads. But as I don't own 1 yet I haven't voted. When your back is better maybe could meet up and have a bash at them ? Only met 2 chaps off here so more is always a bonus. At blyton semis aren't frowned upon either like other grounds. Hope the backs better soon. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted January 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) That's no problem Dan, i appreciate what your saying mate i'd be the same. blyton is a fairly relaxed club in that respect, i don't really shoot clays too dear but went with the wife before and liked the set up and people. I'm sure the back will heal apparently I've managed to sprain my L5/S1 facet joint in the bottom of my back and it keeps going into spasm round there putting pressure on nerves, bloody painfully i know that much, last time i help carry a desk up stairs at work . Atb Gary Edited January 18, 2012 by bicykillgaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterwolf Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 No problems with mine. But give it up mate, there no way to know if people voting on here have actually owned one ... Not just jumping on the bandwagon of heresay from years ago like normal. My guess is as this goes on, a lot of the people who vote wont have ever owned one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) I think it should be a poll on the Gen 3 Escort. We all know they had problems in the past, but not so frequent now.. For the poster that said he had a barrel bulge, if you don't constantly check your chokes and you've oiled them, what do you expect!!! My Silver Pigeon 1 Sporter with Teague Extended Chokes will work lose over time as I've oiled them, that set up is over £1.5k! The only real problems come when people are too lazy to clean the gun and expect it to cycle Get a grip people... Edited January 18, 2012 by Beretta Italy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShooterTom Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 No problems for me... (I'm tempting fate now!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted January 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) I'm beginning to see that, i get sick of people spouting carp but never backing it up so thought it would give a fair and true poll so people could make their own minds up about them based on other owners experiences without it getting de-railed by idiots who think they know it all based on what they've heard. Guess i was wrong, 77% so far seem happy and only one or two genuine faults listed so suspect its actually higher. at Gary Edited January 18, 2012 by bicykillgaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) I think it should be a poll on the Gen 3 Escort. We all know they had problems in the past, but not so frequent now.. For the poster that said he had a barrel bulge, if you don't constantly check your chokes and you've oiled them, what do you expect!!! My Silver Pigeon 1 Sporter with Teague Extended Chokes will work lose over time as I've oiled them, that set up is over £1.5k! The only real problems come when people are too lazy to clean the gun and expect it to cycle Get a grip people... The Optima chokes on my Beretta work loose all the time, because I don't use a choke key, I just crank them in hand tight. Difference is that this doesn't cause the barrel to bulge or the choke to fly off down range. So you get a grip I witnessed this happen with a Hatstand on the skeet range at Doveridge, but the Hatsan Appreciation Society on here just told me I was making it up like some hate crime Yeah right It's witnessing **** like that that helps sensible people make choices about guns. I don't need to have owned one. Edited January 18, 2012 by Chard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterwolf Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) I think it should be a poll on the Gen 3 Escort. We all know they had problems in the past, but not so frequent now.. For the poster that said he had a barrel bulge, if you don't constantly check your chokes and you've oiled them, what do you expect!!! My Silver Pigeon 1 Sporter with Teague Extended Chokes will work lose over time as I've oiled them, that set up is over £1.5k! The only real problems come when people are too lazy to clean the gun and expect it to cycle Get a grip people... Hey hey! ... Thats just not on!! Cant expect people to use common sense, thats just taking the p!ss I agree though ... If you dont clean it often, and check the chokes after every outing then you will get problems. Or if your richer and lazier buy a more expensive gun that you dont have to look after as well Edited January 18, 2012 by Winterwolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I have 3, first semi I bought in early 2007, 6500+ shells through it and the only jam was from me snagging a cleaning patch in the trigger mech when I cleaned it (before I found out how to fully strip it). Edgar Bros collected, fixed and returned it in less than a week free of charge. Cost me £285 brand new at the time and for a gun with a 3yr warranty it was certainly a bargain. Picked up another 2 off here, a semi with the fast load system which just sits in the cabinet as the original just keeps going! and a synthetic O/U which has a lovely tight action and shoots very nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted January 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Hi chard, I believe it happened mate but again that's manual error not mechanical, no doubt if you left your choke much longer the same may of happened to you. I personally check mine when i take it out the cabinet and regularly whilst out especially in winter, i get paranoid about the choke contracting and working loose. which i don't doubt could and does happen. Atb Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted January 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) I have 3, first semi I bought in early 2007, 6500+ shells through it and the only jam was from me snagging a cleaning patch in the trigger mech when I cleaned it (before I found out how to fully strip it). Edgar Bros collected, fixed and returned it in less than a week free of charge. Cost me £285 brand new at the time and for a gun with a 3yr warranty it was certainly a bargain. Picked up another 2 off here, a semi with the fast load system which just sits in the cabinet as the original just keeps going! and a synthetic O/U which has a lovely tight action and shoots very nicely. i like the look of the o/u's not come across one in the flesh, i quite fancy the darker wooded one with the black action in 20b. i like the fact you can adjust the stock still like the semi too. How would you compare the quality to a baikal or similar class gun? Atb Gary Edited January 18, 2012 by bicykillgaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I borrowed an early model a few times on a friends bit of ground pigeon shooting. Not only could I not get on with it due to it being too front heavy, the thing just kept jamming. Not sure why it did, maybe he never cleaned it, I dont now, but it put me off them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 This may be a noob stupid comment but is there any reason you can't apply threadlock to the chokes to stop them coming loose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) i like the look of the o/u's not come across one in the flesh, i quite fancy the darker wooded one with the black action in 20b. i like the fact you can adjust the stock still like the semi too. How would you compare the quality to a baikal or similar class gun? Atb Gary I've owned various Miroku, Beretta etc. etc. since the early 80s and apart from better wood and fancier engraving I've no reason to swap the Silver Select, it fits me and hits what I point it at. I have the synthetic model so not looked at the wood versions but to me all shotguns are just a metal tube with a stock and trigger, as long as they go bang and throw lead in the right direction I'm happy Nothing wrong with Bailkal, back in the 80s they were the "Hatsan" of the day, some hated them "cos they were made from old tractors" others loved them as they just worked and kept on working. Back in 2007 I'd been seperated for a year and with 3 kids money was tight, my middle one (who is Autistic) needed something that would get him out of the house and I suggested we go and try Clay Pigeon, he loved it and so I started shooting again as well. As I'd given up shooting in the mid 90s I couldn't believe the price of O/Us, even Baikals were over £500 so when I found the Hatsan for under £300 that was the one I went for Edited January 18, 2012 by phaedra1106 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 The only real problems come when people are too lazy to clean the gun and expect it to cycle Get a grip people... That is a ridiculous oversimplification. Have you ever owned a semi auto? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted January 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I've owned various Miroku, Beretta etc. etc. since the early 80s and apart from better wood and fancier engraving I've no reason to swap the Silver Select, it fits me and hits what I point it at. I have the synthetic model so not looked at the wood versions but to me all shotguns are just a metal tube with a stock and trigger, as long as they go bang and throw lead in the right direction I'm happy The synthetic would be more practical for me, only thing i'm not keen on is the shiney action, what roughly do they retail at as i guess i could live with that for the right price. Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 This may be a noob stupid comment but is there any reason you can't apply threadlock to the chokes to stop them coming loose? Makes changing chokes harder ( I use a different choke for clay, wildfowling, decoying etc) Also dirt still gets into the threads and needs cleaning out. Oil is no good on the threads either, thats why they come loose, use some appropriate greese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) I owned 2 20g Hatsan autos and 1 20g Field hunter. The F/H came with the rib not on straight and after about a 3 month wait the replacement never turned up so the gun went back. My first auto used to blow the magazine tube nut off because the threads hadn't been made to the correct spec and when this was rectified by heating the nut to red and squashing it in a lathe chuck the thing just wouldn't cycle reliably anyway, despite plenty of free spares from the distributor to try and rectify the problem. Tried the brand new one and that started jamming almost straight away so I took it back. Haven't had one jam from my 391's in 10,000 rounds I liked the Hatsans and tried to persevere because I shot well with them but they just wouldn't work properly. It's the only gun I've owned that needed a metal detector to find it all when it was time to go home Edited January 18, 2012 by sitsinhedges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted January 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Nothing wrong with Bailkal, back in the 80s they were the "Hatsan" of the day, some hated them "cos they were made from old tractors" others loved them as they just worked and kept on working. I didn't mean to imply there was mate i've owned 4 my self, with no complaints at all i meant with baikals been in the sub £600 bracket which is where i assumed the hatsan would be. Id still have all my baikals if i had room I've had .410 single (first gun) 12b single ejector 12b sxs .410 stealth full modded all great tools Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I liken them to a series 1 land rover . Crude ,uncomfortable work horse that sometimes work if you have a big bag of spanners available at all times . Loved by fools and romantics . Buy jap and enjoy the reliability and comfort . Definitely a Marmite gun . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted January 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I liken them to a series 1 land rover . Crude ,uncomfortable work horse that sometimes work if you have a big bag of spanners available at all times . Loved by fools and romantics . Buy jap and enjoy the reliability and comfort . Definitely a Marmite gun . Harnser . Just wondered if that was based on firsthand experience or just your opinion mate as the poll is aimed at owners Atb Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) Garry, you're a legend mate, don't waste your time on this topic. If yours works well and you enjoy it that's all that matters All the best buddy. Edited January 18, 2012 by Beretta Italy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) I have got one now, note below... No Zapp, it's not an oversimplification. If you don't look after the gun, it won’t look after you. You may have the odd person that keeps his gun spotless and dirt isn't the reason why it may not cycle and jam, but it's a known fact that semis have to be kept clean and the majority of people that have problems don't clean their guns. Edited January 18, 2012 by Beretta Italy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Just wondered if that was based on firsthand experience or just your opinion mate as the poll is aimed at owners Atb Gary No Gary , I am neither fool or romantic . I have seen to much bad press on here and other web sites reff the the hatstand . I would not ever concider buying one . Ever wondered why so many are offered for sale on this forum , two days old and never missed a beat . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted January 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Garry, you're a legend mate, don't waste your time on this topic. If yours works well and you enjoy it that's all that matters All the best buddy. I've been called a few things but never a legend before, i might have to remind her she's dealing with a legend next time she starts. as for the poll i think it speaks for its self so i'm fairly happy. i notice no one owned up and wrote about their barrel exploding so i guess that's two you can cross off. it just proves it is only a minority that have issues not all of them like some would have you believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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