bicykillgaz Posted January 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 No Gary , I am neither fool or romantic . I have seen to much bad press on here and other web sites reff the the hatstand . I would not ever concider buying one . Ever wondered why so many are offered for sale on this forum , two days old and never missed a beat . Harnser . That's fair enough mate, i and many others have bought and been happy though which was the point i was hoping to and think i have helped to make. Atb Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 We could settle this by just having Remington 1100s. They're great.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humperdingle Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I had 3 Brand new Escorts - 1st one was a wooden stock version. The chequering at the grip was awful, and crumbled just through normal handling. About a postage stamp area basically became 'bald', so that one went back. Swapped it for another Escort - This time it was a 'Grand Wood'(?). This time, the laquering or coating on the butt began peeling off, then in other places. That one went back, too, and eventually settled on a synthetic stocked version, which I had no problems with. Didn't keep it too long, though, as I got a Beretta 391. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty7247 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 My first gun is a Hatsan, synthetic, never had any problems with cycling Pidgeon shells, right upto 3& half inch goose. Horses for course's. No point splitting hairs, some people evidently hate them, other enjoy them. Its cheap and cheerful. No complaints from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) The Optima chokes on my Beretta work loose all the time, because I don't use a choke key, I just crank them in hand tight. Difference is that this doesn't cause the barrel to bulge or the choke to fly off down range. So you get a grip I witnessed this happen with a Hatstand on the skeet range at Doveridge, but the Hatsan Appreciation Society on here just told me I was making it up like some hate crime Yeah right It's witnessing **** like that that helps sensible people make choices about guns. I don't need to have owned one. I have seen a Beretta double discharge (both barrels firing at once) would that put me off buying a Beretta, last year at the Charity shoot the Trigger fell off my Browning, would that put someone off buying a Browning, by the way the reason the trigger fell was my fault for not checking that it was fully tightened up. As an on looker you do not know what has happened to the gun in question. So with you seeing a hatsan shoot out its chokes, me seeing a Beretta double discharge, and someone else seeing the trigger fall off my Browning, there are 3 Guns we would not purchase. Edited January 18, 2012 by bakerboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 The only thing that stopped me buying one for the mrs in 20bore was the requirement in the MK1 to have to press the button in to load carts 2 and 3 into the magizine. But i belive the current modle doesnt require this so would be a strong contender if i ever felt the need to replace the Mossburg pump or add more to the cabinet ! But it would have to be in real tree also B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) I bought a twenty bore about five years ago from nwss,i think it was around the three hundred mark,first time out,fired three shells the front sight fell off,the mag cut off spring dissapered,then the whole thing sized up,took it back to the shop they said we can fix it,no chance,got the money back and bought a remmi.I know they have improved no end,a mate has one and loves it. Edited January 18, 2012 by gemini52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I have seen a Beretta double discharge (both barrels firing at once) would that put me off buying a Beretta, last year at the Charity shoot the Trigger fell off my Browning, would that put someone off buying a Browning, by the way the reason the trigger fell was my fault for not checking that it was fully tightened up. As an on looker you do not know what has happened to the gun in question. So with you seeing a hatsan shoot out its chokes, me seeing a Beretta double discharge, and someone else seeing the trigger fall off my Browning, there are 3 Guns we would not purchase. Double discharge and dropping triggers wouldn't necessarily put me off buying a gun. The Hatstand at Doveridge didn't just fling the choke downrange. The barrel had a 5 or 6 inch split in it it and a very awkward looking bulge. That would put me off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humperdingle Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 The only thing that stopped me buying one for the mrs in 20bore was the requirement in the MK1 to have to press the button in to load carts 2 and 3 into the magizine. Yeh that was a bit of an annoyance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterwolf Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 The only thing that stopped me buying one for the mrs in 20bore was the requirement in the MK1 to have to press the button in to load carts 2 and 3 into the magizine. But i belive the current modle doesnt require this so would be a strong contender if i ever felt the need to replace the Mossburg pump or add more to the cabinet ! But it would have to be in real tree also B) Yeah the Mrk3 has the fast loader which sorts this ... TBH it doesnt slow me down on my Mrk2 Im just as quick now, but watching my RH mates try and load my LH gun which there not used & pressing the button is pretty amusing, its like a game of finger twister .... they get the hang of it eventually Double discharge and dropping triggers wouldn't necessarily put me off buying a gun. The Hatstand at Doveridge didn't just fling the choke downrange. The barrel had a 5 or 6 inch split in it it and a very awkward looking bulge. That would put me off Yeah but did it break the clay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 hatsans owners (not haters) Poll: hatsan myths laid to rest by actual owners Just exactly what are you trying to achieve, it is pretty obvious if you only ask everyone who loves their Hatsan to reply you will not get any negative comments. And there are NO MYTHS about the Hatsan, they have an appalling quality control, safety, reliability record when compared to ANY other shotgun you care to mention. Edit Your Poll only allows one answer, that in itself is useless as my Hatsan chokes didn't fit, the barrel moved about 2mm in the action and then the barrel blew up.Yes, it's all a myth if you want to bury your head in the sand! Dekers that is exactly the type of post i expected from you. I may be wrong but haven't you stated before you've never actually owned or shot one? The poll was set up for people who own or have owned a hatsan to state what faults they have or have not had so we can get a clear idea of just how many of these faults are genuine or rumours. i don't really see what your issue is mate, was you out shot by a hatsan owner at a clay ground or something and just never been able to let it go? Out of the people who have voted for faults only a couple have stated what there fault was as requested so i am assuming the rest are people just trying to falsify the poll, if you've had a fault please write what it was and if you got it sorted. At Gary If you don't want to hear then don't ask! Apparently you missed it, I have highlighted the problems with the Hatsan that I bought! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Dekers you state the poll only offers one choice when it offers several and also offers an - others section and asks for descriptions so surely this allows every single fault to be registered, the only option in favour of the hatsan owner is the no faults option. I asked for owner only to give a fair representation and to avoid people who just like moaning and hatsan bashers like yourself who just like spouting bitterness on every post they reply to. You can't even back up your claims of safety issues yet you state it on every post about hatsans, get some links up to pictures and articles of hatsan related deaths or any proof to your claims. Gary You cannot list ALL the faults, the poll only allows you to select 1 option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted January 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Hi Dekers If you read my post i questioned what you had said as i thought id seen you write on another hatsan bashing post that you had never owned one but obviously i was wrong, the poll had an others section which you could have ticked and written a list, i have since added a multiple problems option so if you cancel your original vote and select that instead. I hope the new options meet your approval Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I'm beginning to see that, i get sick of people spouting carp but never backing it up so thought it would give a fair and true poll so people could make their own minds up about them based on other owners experiences without it getting de-railed by idiots who think they know it all based on what they've heard. Guess i was wrong, 77% so far seem happy and only one or two genuine faults listed so suspect its actually higher. at Gary It is well known I am no fan of the Hatsan, I make no secret of the fact and tell it how it happened, when the barrel blows up and you are stood next to it you tend to remember. The barrel was returned and a replacement supplied, that didn't fit and had some 2mm of movement, IMPOSSIBLE said Edgars until they saw it, then they went quiet, they then supplied a complete replacement shotgun, the chokes didn't fit, leaving a raised edge all round the internal top of the barrel, another disaster waiting to happen, several other faults were noted on the brand new replacement shotgun and it to was returned and a FULL refund received. Please don't make stupid erroneous childish remarks about me having a down on Hatsan because someone beat me using one. If you want to ignore the facts, ignore the contents of posts and make stupid spurious comments then you are the one with your head in the sand! 77% so far happy owners, does it not occur to you that leaves about a quarter of owners UNHAPPY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobt Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I have had mine for about 5 or 6 years now, no problems ever, the choke came loose once as I had forgotten to tighten it after cleaning, I was told to wipe it over and keep it well oiled, never had any problems. I got one for a mate, he was using 50gramme goose shells they were so dirty the trigger mech jammed. its not the guns fault. its a throwaway gun isnt it? I paid about £250. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted January 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 The comment about you been beaten by someone with a hatsan was a joke, if you want to take it as anything other than that its your choice, i am not surprised you new barrel didn't fit after the sort of forces that must gone through it when the barrel split, i'm surprised the lot wasn't swapped straight away. I may have missed it on previous post but haven't seen you mention it before which would certainly explain your hatred of them, sounds like a lucky escape. Was it down to the choke been loose? Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Hi Dekers If you read my post i questioned what you had said as i thought id seen you write on another hatsan bashing post that you had never owned one but obviously i was wrong, the poll had an others section which you could have ticked and written a list, i have since added a multiple problems option so if you cancel your original vote and select that instead. I hope the new options meet your approval Gary Yes, I paid for one of these things, at the time, 3 or 4 years back I too thought it seemed very good for the money, I was very wrong and Edgars were not listening either. The design was flawed, the materials were poor and the quality control was a disaster. I accept that the design has changed and quality control has improved, but they have a long way to go and I will never forget the day the barrel blew with my lad at the trigger. Yes, I have a down on the Hatsan, it is no secret, and perhaps you would understand better if you were there, near death experiences tend to stay with you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 The comment about you been beaten by someone with a hatsan was a joke, if you want to take it as anything other than that its your choice, i am not surprised you new barrel didn't fit after the sort of forces that must gone through it when the barrel split, i'm surprised the lot wasn't swapped straight away. I may have missed it on previous post but haven't seen you mention it before which would certainly explain your hatred of them, sounds like a lucky escape. Was it down to the choke been loose? Gary 100% NOT. The RFD couldn't believe the state of the barrel, and I was amazed at Edgars ...."ok then we will send you a new barrel", they assured me mine would go back to the proof house for checks, I asked for the results which they refused to supply, make of that what you will! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted January 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 No i completely agree, was your lad ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I have seen a Beretta double discharge (both barrels firing at once) would that put me off buying a Beretta, last year at the Charity shoot the Trigger fell off my Browning, would that put someone off buying a Browning, by the way the reason the trigger fell was my fault for not checking that it was fully tightened up. As an on looker you do not know what has happened to the gun in question. So with you seeing a hatsan shoot out its chokes, me seeing a Beretta double discharge, and someone else seeing the trigger fall off my Browning, there are 3 Guns we would not purchase. How old, roughly, were said Beretta and your Browning at the time of the malfunctions mate Id hazard a guess they were not relatively new when the problems occurred People I have witnessed who have had multiple malfunctions (myself included using a friends Escort)have all been with under 1 year old guns. All early models mind, have no experience with any newer versions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted January 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 100% NOT. The RFD couldn't believe the state of the barrel, and I was amazed at Edgars ...."ok then we will send you a new barrel", they assured me mine would go back to the proof house for checks, I asked for the results which they refused to supply, make of that what you will! my old man has had runins with Edgar brothers before, he got a remington 700 sps in 22.250 couldn't get it to zero took it back to the shop Edgar brothers told them it must be his scope, shop owner went with the old man tried his khales scope on it still couldn't zero it, sent it back to Edgar brothers they sent a new rifle same again, dad got a refund Turned out to be a bad batch something to do with the crowns. so he got a sako instead and has never looked back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 How old, roughly, were said Beretta and your Browning at the time of the malfunctions mate Id hazard a guess they were not relatively new when the problems occurred People I have witnessed who have had multiple malfunctions (myself included using a friends Escort)have all been with under 1 year old guns. All early models mind, have no experience with any newer versions. The Beretta I have no idea of the age as it wasn't mine. The Browning on the other hand was mine, I have had it from new, and was 20 years old. well cared for, could have been cleaned a little better maybe, a lot better, hence a thread I placed a day or two ago, but the fault was MINE, I had not checked the grub scew that had worked loose, now fixed back in position, no further problems. The point I was trying to make was that things happen and we see them happen, but we do not know the reasons or why fors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 No Zapp, it's not an oversimplification. Yes, it is. Your post about cleanliness assumes that all semi autos are built to the same quality and tolerances. Some designs consistently struggle with certain case and brass lengths irrespective of how clean they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humperdingle Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Yes, it is. Your post about cleanliness assumes that all semi autos are built to the same quality and tolerances. Some designs consistently struggle with certain case and brass lengths irrespective of how clean they are. True. Some will cycle 21 gram shells even if you haven't cleaned them in 1000 shots, some will struggle to cycle 28 grams even if you've just cleaned it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 True. Some will cycle 21 gram shells even if you haven't cleaned them in 1000 shots, some will struggle to cycle 28 grams even if you've just cleaned it. Quite, but there are designs (some of the escorts being among them) that are known to struggle with 65mm cases for example, regardless of the shot charge. What is even worse is that only some of the guns of the design seem to do it. I dont want to drag this topic off line, so I will stop now but I repeat that cleanliness is NOT the only cause of poor performance in autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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