Harnser Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Quite, but there are designs (some of the escorts being among them) that are known to struggle with 65mm cases for example, regardless of the shot charge. What is even worse is that only some of the guns of the design seem to do it. I dont want to drag this topic off line, so I will stop now but I repeat that cleanliness is NOT the only cause of poor performance in autos. You need to pull the trigger harder on hatsans . they work then . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northeastshooter Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 took mine out tonight on the clays fired 52shots ok not a lot but no jams as i was expecting after all the comments on here couldnt fault the gun ( could fault the shooter tho ) hit 50% of my clays will see how it pans out after aday shooting at the weekend and another 50+ on the clays next week before i vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Some people have no trouble and swear by them. For what its worth I have nothing against them, I'd consider one if I was after a 3.5" gun for kicking about wildfowling etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semiautolee Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 my vote is in: NO PROBLEMS!! iv had 2 escorts, and i have my third one now !! i have never had any problems with them , and before someone jumps on the band wagon asking why i got rid of them, its because i fancied a change and nothing to do with the guns playing up or breaking on me !! would i go and buy another one tomoro??..YES i would! maybe the haters have had problems with them or maybe they havent even owned one ! i cant fault the guns in anyway to be honest , but thats my opinion!! would i recommend one to a friend?? YES i would!! if a gun is taken care of properly, clean it regular and look after it then it should last for years no matter of its price, age, make etc etc!! this topic has been covered so many times i bet it takes up half of the pigeon watch site!! over and out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankbrickbats Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I have had 3 shots with mine, conected once, not expecting extraordinary performance, bought at a price I could not refuse. I have heard all the anecdotal complaints fron the don't owners and self styled experts dating back to my VW beetle in the 60s 'now they didnt do well did they', the Baikal which out shoots 'quality guns'and had a better wood and finish than the berretas I inspected prior to buying the Baikal. I could go on and on about this snobery. Putting this aside any of you Hatsan haters got a short unsplit intact 24" or 25" or 26" 12 gauge auto barrel to sell with or without chokes, come to think any Hatsan barrel will do if I can cut it down without breaching the law. Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejay Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I have had mine now for just over two years , 28" synthetic I have only cleaned it no more than 6 times and has given me no problems at all . I have used this on all my pigeon shooting and I can tell you its had some abuse .I always tightened choke with my finger (before loading) and then couple times during the day just to check. I also have used it on the clays with 28g 7 1/2 with no trouble. Bought mine from new , Would I buy another ? Yes Will I buy my son one when he gets his sgc ? Yes Daz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) . Edited January 18, 2012 by Beretta Italy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankbrickbats Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 (edited) I have had 3 shots with mine, conected once, not expecting extraordinary performance, bought at a price I could not refuse. I have heard all the anecdotal complaints fron the don't owners and self styled experts dating back to my VW beetle in the 60s 'now they didnt do well did they', the Baikal which out shoots 'quality guns'and had a better wood and finish than the berretas I inspected prior to buying the Baikal. I could go on and on about this snobery. Putting this aside any of you Hatsan haters got a short unsplit intact 24" or 25" or 26" 12 gauge auto barrel to sell with or without chokes, come to think any Hatsan barrel will do if I can cut it down without breaching the law. Frank Got fixed up with a barrel at W Richards Pocklington E Yorks For PW 'Berreta Italy' the guns I inspected where at another dealer in E Yorks 29 years back Edited January 19, 2012 by Frankbrickbats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanl50 Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 they have an appalling quality control, safety, reliability record when compared to ANY other shotgun you care to mention. Proof please as this will make interesting reading for many people Perhaps we should forward unqualified replys to Edgar Brothers, how long have they been trading?? you would think they would be more qualified to judge this. How many issues with the Hatstands(or any gun) have been owner related, failing to read the manual.------------ why wont they cycle 65mm carts, doh -- my choke came undone after 2000 cartridge is this normal, says in the manual check after firing 70 cartridges if my memory is not failing me, and the biggest cause of barrel failure I bet. How many questions are posted on this site because people/owners have not bothered to read what comes with the gun or even stamped on the gun, more difficult I know if your gun is secondhand, perhaps operation manuals should provided with any sale and made the law. Most manufacturers offer a download service for instruction on operation. Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coneyhunter Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 I often find the Escort bashing amusing, often done by people that have not owned one but have been reliably informed of thier poor performance by a freind, colleauge, neighbour etc. The mark 1's were slighlty suspect, granted there were some quality control issues but many mark 1 models have issues which are improved on. i have owned mine for a while and have had no issues, it wont cycle 65mm cartridges but if i wanted to use them id use my o/u. The gun is basic which is ideal for my needs, if you dont clean the gun then it will jam, exactly the same as all other semi autos. It has not blown up in my face, spat chokes out, blown the o-ring or began to crumble to pieces when shot, and i have shot it a lot. Its not the quality of the Berettas or the Benellis but for £400 new you would not expect it ( unless you were either naive or delusional) Edgar brothers sell a huge amount of these guns and with so many on the market its expected that there may be some problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Perhaps we should forward unqualified replys to Edgar Brothers, how long have they been trading?? you would think they would be more qualified to judge this. How many issues with the Hatstands(or any gun) have been owner related, failing to read the manual.------------ why wont they cycle 65mm carts, doh -- my choke came undone after 2000 cartridge is this normal, says in the manual check after firing 70 cartridges if my memory is not failing me, and the biggest cause of barrel failure I bet. How many questions are posted on this site because people/owners have not bothered to read what comes with the gun or even stamped on the gun, more difficult I know if your gun is secondhand, perhaps operation manuals should provided with any sale and made the law. Most manufacturers offer a download service for instruction on operation. Alan You have a very blinkered view, so all you are saying is every other type of shotgun owner reads the manual! Believe what you want, but the Hatsan has more problems than any other shotgun you can find, and you think this is because none of the owners read the manual! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Also its a bit of a PITA to only be able to use 70mm + carts. Lots of clay carts are 65mm ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Perhaps we should forward unqualified replys to Edgar Brothers, how long have they been trading?? you would think they would be more qualified to judge this. How many issues with the Hatstands(or any gun) have been owner related, failing to read the manual.------------ why wont they cycle 65mm carts, doh -- my choke came undone after 2000 cartridge is this normal, says in the manual check after firing 70 cartridges if my memory is not failing me, and the biggest cause of barrel failure I bet. How many questions are posted on this site because people/owners have not bothered to read what comes with the gun or even stamped on the gun, more difficult I know if your gun is secondhand, perhaps operation manuals should provided with any sale and made the law. Most manufacturers offer a download service for instruction on operation. Alan Edgar brothers are selling the hatsans because of the money they make out of it . Do you think that Edgar brothers would want to sell these guns second hand with no warrenty ,would you want to buy one out of warrenty ? I dont think so . The guns are so cheap to make and the parts are so cheap, hatsan can afford to give a three year warrenty and take a chance that most of them dont have to come back for warrenty work . They are most certinly a cheap gun but in my opinion not a particulary good gun . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MITCHF Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 My vote's in - No Problems. 2 yrs old, 1000,s carts, bought it second hand. Not bad for "the most unreliable gun" Good poll Gary, get some factual feedback +/- from experienced owners. Instead of the usual perceived feedback from the armchair gun experts, who clearly ignored the part of the post that said "not haters", they just can't help themselves, ahh bless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterwolf Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Also its a bit of a PITA to only be able to use 70mm + carts. Lots of clay carts are 65mm ! Why use 70mm carts? ... I use 67mm in mine with no issues. Eley First are my normal clay carts ... Just stay away from 65mm .. from what I gather a few different SA dont like to cycle those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semiautolee Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Why use 70mm carts? ... I use 67mm in mine with no issues. Eley First are my normal clay carts ... Just stay away from 65mm .. from what I gather a few different SA dont like to cycle those. you can still use 65mm but the trick is to just put 2 in the chamber, yes i no you's will be thinking ''whats the point in that'' but it was just a experiment i tried i dont use 65mm myself becuase im not a clay man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 I have one! but i just can't bring myself to use it... i have standards you know you can still use 65mm but the trick is to just put 2 in the chamber, yes i no you's will be thinking ''whats the point in that'' but it was just a experiment i tried i dont use 65mm myself becuase im not a clay man hi lee, what's 65mm got to do with clay carts mate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semiautolee Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 I have one! but i just can't bring myself to use it... i have standards you know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike525steel Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 (edited) :no: :no: This may be a noob stupid comment but is there any reason you can't apply threadlock to the chokes to stop them coming loose? Edited January 19, 2012 by Mike525steel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semiautolee Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 I have one! but i just can't bring myself to use it... i have standards you know hi lee, what's 65mm got to do with clay carts mate? i was just saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 (edited) I use 65mm Hull Comp-X on clays, they don't work in either of my Hatsan semis, too short, when crimped they are around 57-58mm and both come out of the mag together even when cycling the action by hand. Only way to use them is one in the breech and one in the mag. Of course if I'd RTFM I'd have bought 2000 70mm carts instead!, not to worry they're going down nicely and I'll know better next time Edited January 19, 2012 by phaedra1106 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanl50 Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Edgar brothers are selling the hatsans because of the money they make out of it . Do you think that Edgar brothers would want to sell these guns second hand with no warrenty ,would you want to buy one out of warrenty ? I dont think so . The guns are so cheap to make and the parts are so cheap, hatsan can afford to give a three year warrenty and take a chance that most of them dont have to come back for warrenty work . They are most certinly a cheap gun but in my opinion not a particulary good gun . Harnser . The Poll doesnt seem to agree with you and speaks for itself Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 The Poll doesnt seem to agree with you and speaks for itself Alan It is well known that I have a major down on the Hatsan. The poll most certainly does agree with him, Hatsan has a HIGH % of problems in relation to any other manufacturer you can name, don't believe me, just look up all the problem threads here, and on any other site you can find, and compare that with ANY other manufacturer. Why is it that every Hatsan owner who's gun works will not hear a bad word, there is another side, like it or not. The fact is Hatsan have evolved, changed the design, and improved quality control, they ******g well had to, and things are most certainly not as bad today as they were 3-4 years ago, but do not fool yourself, Hatsan are a cheap gun and have problems associated with that, and some historical problems revolved around safety, which was totally unacceptable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzthompson Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 @Dekers Dont you see the irony of saying : "Why is it that every Hatsan owner who's gun works will not hear a bad word, there is another side, like it or not." When it seems every hatsan hater(as it seems with you) whos gun had a problem can have the exact same thing said about them? see: "Why is it that every Hatsan owner/hater who's gun works will not hear a bad/good word, there is another side, like it or not." Both "sides" of the argument seem rather pathetic, and pointless. I don't think any hatsan user is under the illusion that their gun is the best out there, but with many in this thread/poll recording very little to no faults on a gun that cost £350~ new, we cant complain. the point is, ANYBODY claming to know about the MAJORITY of hatsans and their saftey/fault record based on forum posts/forum polls or word of mouth is talking rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderdude Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 the point is, ANYBODY claming to know about the MAJORITY of hatsans and their saftey/fault record based on forum posts/forum polls or word of mouth is talking rubbish. I think that is well put, there are always two side to every story and as has been said before; Skoda had a shocking record for reliability but over the years they have become one of the most successful and reliable cars on the market. The process of evolution an development in general means things improve. I strongly suspect that Hatsans are exactly the same. Early models do appear to have had a few issues, but they new ones seem to be ok. It may also be a numbers thing, is it possible that Hatsan sell more guns than other brands, so % wise there are as many issues as Browning, Beretta etc. I've never seen the sales figures from GMK, has anyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.