fert Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 went out with my mate and his frifle the other night as i have just had delivery of 350 ducks on the small syndicate i keeper for. they where taken with a 17hmr. not the ideal fox gun but it does the job in hand.just gotto go and find mummy and daddy now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertie Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Good shooting fert! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 nice one fert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miffy Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 thats great shooting, now mummy and daddys turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubertus Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Hi fert, how far did they run with the .17? Or just straight down? They are already quite big. Over here they are smaller mainly. What do you mean you got 350 ducks? Dont understand it. Hubertus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P03 Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 a 17hmr. not the ideal fox gun but it does the job in hand. There seems to be a big difference of opinion over this point. Our American brethren seem to swear by the 17HMR for foxes and coyotes, but in the UK the consensus seems to be for larger calibres. I think if you use the Hornady 25gn bullet at no more than 100 yds and take head shots then the 17HMR is more than up to the job. It seems to get more confusing day by day. P03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Hubertus - He means that they released 350 young ducks and that they will be shooting them after the season starts on 1st September. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peejay Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 WELL DONE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubertus Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Hubertus - He means that they released 350 young ducks and that they will be shooting them after the season starts on 1st September. Thanks Henry. Releasing 350 ducks to shoot them after??? You englishmen must be mad Hubertus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 H. you,re a lucky fellow. I'm not sure exactly where in Germany you are but I have a feeling it's somewhere south . To get decent sporting shooting like most of your pictures show, we have to "stock up", otherwise it wouldn't be viable to have a shoot like the ones you've captured. In the UK there isn't enough cover to have the boar shoots that you enjoy, although, I dare say, because of the re-introduction "enforced" on certain farmers, this may change. Bring on the pigeons! P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAMMY Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 It looks to me the Cub on the left is significantly larger than the other three, same litter? Hammy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyCM Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Excellent work Fert - keeping them ducks safe - a top priority a 17hmr. not the ideal fox gun but it does the job in hand. There seems to be a big difference of opinion over this point. Our American brethren seem to swear by the 17HMR for foxes and coyotes, but in the UK the consensus seems to be for larger calibres. I think if you use the Hornady 25gn bullet at no more than 100 yds and take head shots then the 17HMR is more than up to the job. It seems to get more confusing day by day. P03 PO3, 25g bullets are for .17rem (centrefire) - they are ok for foxes way out - 300yards + whereas, .17hmr (rimfire) using 17g or 20g bullets is the debateable bit - I use it myself for sub 100 yard foxes (prefering hollow points) but will take my .243 if purely after foxes (unless noise is a concern). Cheers AndyCM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubertus Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 @pedro: different countries, different manner For a german it sounds strange releasing birds to kill them. That was the reason for my posting. Keep on Hubertus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fert Posted June 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 It looks to me the Cub on the left is significantly larger than the other three, same litter? Hammy yes this cub was shot on the another farm same farmer but he was a lot bigger than the othe three hubertus this bigger one was the only one to run on as the first placement shot was not ideal as you can see from the pics but another one was soon fired into him to finish the job they were all taken within 120 yards using 17 gr bullets in the boiler house i told my mate to go and get some 20 grains as i think these will peform better. and yes huburtus we have to buy ducks in to shoot them later it was a pity i didnt have my dog with me to pick up the wounded fox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Good shooting and a humane cull aswell. Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 good shooting the 17 vs 20 grain bullet debate is a tricky one. The Vmax 17's do shed the tip fast and expand well and are unlikely to exit so transfer all the energy to what they hit so do hit hard. The Hollow point 20's penetrate further but don't expand as much so can exit. I have some to try but as yet my local foxes have been un co-operative in participating in the experiment once some crops are cut that should change. What I can say is I've had 7 foxes with it so far and none has gone more than 2 paces. Mostly boiler room shots as well as I feel theres more room for error that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P03 Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Excellent work Fert - keeping them ducks safe - a top priority a 17hmr. not the ideal fox gun but it does the job in hand. There seems to be a big difference of opinion over this point. Our American brethren seem to swear by the 17HMR for foxes and coyotes, but in the UK the consensus seems to be for larger calibres. I think if you use the Hornady 25gn bullet at no more than 100 yds and take head shots then the 17HMR is more than up to the job. It seems to get more confusing day by day. P03 PO3, 25g bullets are for .17rem (centrefire) - they are ok for foxes way out - 300yards + whereas, .17hmr (rimfire) using 17g or 20g bullets is the debateable bit - I use it myself for sub 100 yard foxes (prefering hollow points) but will take my .243 if purely after foxes (unless noise is a concern). Cheers AndyCM I was sure I saw an article on t'internet saying they were using 25 gn .17 hmr rounds for Coyotes, but I can't find it again.....I may have been mistaken P03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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