Gimlet Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) If you want a two stage trigger take a look at a Weihrauch HW60J. The trigger is just like their air-rifle Rekord trigger except it can be dialled down to less than 2 lb and has an adjustment screw to take out creep. Beautiful rifles, very similar to an Anny in style, feel and quality and a bit cheaper. Expect to pay about £600 for a 60J in either calibre or £800 for the extremely beautiful HW66 in HMR. Anshutz offer more stock style and barrel length options. Only down side I have found is that spares, such as mags, are expensive and hard to come by. I think of CZs as the Ford Escort of the rifle world. They're a stolid workhorse rifle, simple, reliable, not particularly sophisticated, capable of years of faithful service and great value for money. But just like a Ford Escort they can leave you with the niggling feeling that if you'd only been prepared to spend a little more money you would have been better off with something German. Edited February 20, 2012 by Gimlet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 With a group of ten bunny's I'd rather use. 22LR as the crack of the HMR would e more likely to scatter the rest after the first shot...the 22LR is basically the noise of the pin hitting! except for the thud or crack of it hitting the bunny in question that usually results in neighbouring bunnies doing a rapid exit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 With a group of ten bunny's I'd rather use. 22LR as the crack of the HMR would e more likely to scatter the rest after the first shot...the 22LR is basically the noise of the pin hitting! At 150 yards?! Most of the quarry will be around 70-150 yards away before I'm spotted and they run. 70-150yards is MUCH more HMR territory than .22lr! ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 I prefer the 22LR...I always say if I was in the wilderness and could only take one rifle it'd be a 22LR... I prefer the right tool for the job! BUT, if I had to get rid of EVERY rifle I had and keep just one, it would be the .22lr, that will seem very odd to many! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david hunter Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 If I was only allowed one it would be the .17 no question, but you will never get a definitive answer. despite what is written above I have in the last five years never met anyone ,who I know shots a lot, who would not chose the .17 best to have both, but I rarely take the .22 out these days i am with you doc sold my 22 .17 is ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucegill Posted February 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Dear Mr Winchester, you need to buy another computer and programmer, ...LOOK at those figures, for anyone who has all 3 of those calibres it is obvious that all is not well! I don't have any of the 3 calibers... Help me out m8, whats not well?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 At 150 yards?! Most of the quarry will be around 70-150 yards away before I'm spotted and they run. 70-150yards is MUCH more HMR territory than .22lr! ATB! Depends if you no your rifle and range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 If I was only allowed one it would be the .17 no question, but you will never get a definitive answer. despite what is written above I have in the last five years never met anyone ,who I know shots a lot, who would not chose the .17 best to have both, but I rarely take the .22 out these days Well you wanna get out more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucegill Posted February 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 My lands pretty flat and pretty flinty. Not much cover. Not many back drops. Also has some foot paths and bridleways that could be a worry. I'm not massively into night shooting, purely because I don't want to be gutting and skinning into the wee hours. BUT it looks like the bag will be a lot fuller. 22lr rounds price is very attractive after coming from Air rifles! thanks for all you comments so far, MUCH appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat g Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 I prefer the right tool for the job! BUT, if I had to get rid of EVERY rifle I had and keep just one, it would be the .22lr, that will seem very odd to many! Spot on Dekers, 22lr is still the best overall tool in the bag and i've heard many shooters with many years experience say the same. I still rate the 17hmr though and its a great calibre to use. I dont see a problem with hold over using the 22lr either. Mine is zero'd at 75yds using cci segmented hollow points and 1 milldot down gets me on the button at 100yds ATB, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Spot on Dekers, 22lr is still the best overall tool in the bag and i've heard many shooters with many years experience say the same. I still rate the 17hmr though and its a great calibre to use. I dont see a problem with hold over using the 22lr either. Mine is zero'd at 75yds using cci segmented hollow points and 1 milldot down gets me on the button at 100yds ATB, Pat How much do you have to hold under at 45yds though ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 I think I asked this question once. I had similar replies. So what was the result...... I bought both and not looked back. Both have their virtues, one is quiet and cheap to run, one is flat and long range rabbit shooting. Spend more money on the .17 HMR and get a cheap .22 from Wabbitbosher on this forum. He just sold an Annie set up for about £150! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 As a 150 yds bunny tool the HMR is ideal when its not windy. That said i wouldn't have another fact is the small centrefires give you all this and more besides with massively reduced windages and increased effective range. For me its the .22lr and subs, open ground is not an issue i would just use the lamp, wait it out at ambush points or refer to my signature Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Dear Mr Winchester, you need to buy another computer and programmer, ...LOOK at those figures, for anyone who has all 3 of those calibres it is obvious that all is not well! I'm sure they'd value your input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Exactly, the .22 will always require hold over or under wherever its zeroed. Then its best guess time when it comes to range estimation. With the hmr its simply point and shoot from 40 to 140. Easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 If you think you will regularly shoot at over 90ish yards then the HMR is the way to go IMO. The .22lr is a brilliant tool but for the ranges you're talking of and on the ground you have I'd forget it! The LR is a great upgrade from an air rifle but sure isn't a long range tool. I struggle like hell with mine if I can't get inside 70 yards of my quarry - just a few yards out in the range estimation can result in a miss if going for head shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 HMR = Hornady Marmite Round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) HMR = Heaven-sent Magnificent Round (Mick the Marmite lover) Edited February 20, 2012 by mick miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Gould Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 HMR = Hammers mighty rabbits LR = loopy round i think you best maybe doing what a previous member said spend as much as you can on a hmr set up and buy a cheap .22lr set up best of both worlds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha Mule Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 If you think you will regularly shoot at over 90ish yards then the HMR is the way to go IMO. The .22lr is a brilliant tool but for the ranges you're talking of and on the ground you have I'd forget it! The LR is a great upgrade from an air rifle but sure isn't a long range tool. I struggle like hell with mine if I can't get inside 70 yards of my quarry - just a few yards out in the range estimation can result in a miss if going for head shots. Ok, I don't have the 'range' of experience some of you guys do, but this sums up everything I've found with these calibers. I've also found that it is the HMR that is less affected by the wind (not looking for a fight - just say as I see). As for the noise thing: when a .22LR smacks into a rabbit skull, everything 'runs away'-off on quick order - just as fast as if an HMR crack sounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat g Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 How much do you have to hold under at 45yds though ? 1 mildot up puts it smack in a rabbits head at around 45yds mate. This debate could go on forever. I use both and they both have their virtues ATB, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Depends if you no your rifle and range If you know your rifle and range then the HMR will P*** all over a .22lr betwen 70-150yards! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) There seems a groundswell of praise for the HMR over the .22lr here, apparently, simply because it is faster and flatter and gives more range, I don't quite understand that, get a .223 with a 40g V-Max head and watch it P*** all over a HMR, does that make it a better rabbit rifle? Edited February 20, 2012 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 There seems a groundswell of praise for the HMR over the .22lr here, apparently, simply because it is faster and flatter and gives more range, I don't quite understand that, get a .223 with a 40g V-Max head and watch it P*** all over a HMR, does that make it a better rabbit rifle? I think the people recommending 22LR on this thread have forgotten what the thread starter wrote: Most of the quarry will be around 70-150 yards away before I'm spotted and they run. HMR is a no-brainer over LR for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 I make him right. A .22lr is not a 100-150 yard round unless you're proficient at guestimating 4 feet of holdover reliably. You want a cheap, efficient round for pest control at those ranges, buy an hmr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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