Gnome of the Woods Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 http://www.thecomet.net/news/village_couple_left_devastated_by_dog_shooting_1_1216486 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 are chickens classed as livestock for this point? shame for the dog - but they should have kept it under control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stalker2 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 same old verbal we are responsible dog owners they say so responsible it was not on a lead and clearly out of sight and being able to hear the fatal shot they make me weep and are not fit to keep white mice i hope the lurcher boys learn by this but i doubt it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Tough, keep dogs under control.(I know this is difficult i own a springer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 the owners should be spoken to by the RSPCA for causing the dogs death by taking it off the lead in an inappropriate area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshLamb Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw2hWnStN_s&feature=youtube_gdata_player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Stupid owner BUT he saw it worrying his hen, yet it didn't kill it or any others. The guy is on very shakey ground with that one as it could hardly be said there was no other way of stopping it. Exactly how hard is it for a Bedlington to nail a flightless bird if it wanted to kill it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Well, I've had chickens and one day a dog did come onto my land and attack several of them. Fortunately they all survived, but I can certainly understand why someone would shoot in that situation, they can do a lot of damage. If dog owners would go down the very simple route of basic training their dogs these situations wouldn't occur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Shooting a pet dog is always a very emotive subject . A few years ago I was approached by the local council via the police to help to shoot four dogs that were running wild in a rural parish in Norfolk . The four dogs were feral lurchers and were hunting in a pack and pulling deer and sheep down and killing any thing that they could eat . The story was that they had been abandoned by gypsies ,which was very plausible . I turned up at the spot where they had last made a kill . It took me about one hour to locate them . I shot the first one as soon as I saw them and the other three with in the next 2 hours . They were not hard to find and not hard to shoot as they were still basically pet dogs with no fear of humans . I did not enjoy the experience of shooting the dogs as I am a dog lover . Unfortunately this outcome for the dogs was inevitable . Incidently the police had tried to shoot them but couldn't either find them or couldn't get close enough . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRXS Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 My lil lurcher is a whippet x bedlington but takes after his terrier dad quite strongly. At 8 months he is wilful and strong minded, but a really smashing dog with bags of potential and an early liking for the lamp. Without distractions he will recall quite well. With distraction of other playful dogs he'll return easily 60% of the time but I'm still working on the rest of the time!. It's quite upsetting to see a similar dog shot and I know that heart-sinking moment when he goes thro a hedge and doesn't come back straight away. I have a tiny bit of land and have often thought of keeping chickens. I'm not overly sentimental but from a purely personal perspective I can't imagine a situation where I'd shoot a dog for hen worrying rather than bill the owner handsomely for each chuck carcass/wound, Tough call but I feel for Archie and owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan-250 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) I like how they all mention warning shots(forgot to add, they say into the air), they don't realise what goes up must come down, which is a danger in itself. Hope the farmer gets on ok, I'd of done the same if that was my livelihood and profit on the line. And I have a soft spot for dogs, and love them to bits. There either on there lead or trained, simple as that. Edited February 24, 2012 by dan-250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 His biggest mistake was informing the owners IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpk Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) Back to the same old rubbish with the anti's. Get basic control of your dog and this type of thing wont happen. The dog was out of control chasing his free range chickens. When will the OWNERS of these dogs realise that basic trainig would solve a lot of issues like these. There is a bloke that walks round my way (very built up) with a rotty off the lead, nothing to do with the breed but does he really have control of the dog ?? reading some of the comments on that news site just shows the mental Aptitude of some of them Edited February 24, 2012 by mpk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Dan-250 don't forget a warning shot could go into the ground 6ft in front of you. You don't have to put it in the air. If a dog were chasing my chickens (about 20) I wouldn't shoot them however they are not my lively hood. Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southeastpete Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 ok, no chickens were harmed, yet. If the farmer hadnt of got his gun, how many COULD have been harmed? And there is now way that if a a dozen of his hens had been killed that he would see any money for them. and then it would take a while for new hens to be reared and laying. Yes its a shame, but it was a predator in that situation at the end of the day, if it had been a fox, noone would blink an eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan-250 Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Dan-250 don't forget a warning shot could go into the ground 6ft in front of you. You don't have to put it in the air. Harry The comments on the post was saying into the air, was ment to mean they don't know half about how to have/own a gun before saying he shouldn't be allowed one. As I think there was a story not long back of a rifle shot going into the air and killing a girl around 2 miles away on a horse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-kev- Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Should someone who at his own admission couldnt tell the difference between a grey bedlinton terrier and a fox own a gun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan-250 Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) No reason not to own one, the licence doesn't ask for an eye test, just of sound mind, and not a nutter. Besides his eyes can't be that bad as he got the dog, if it was me I'd of missed Edited February 24, 2012 by dan-250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson_tom Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 I could not think of a dog that looks less like a fox!!! Shame its happened and sympathise with the owners but can fully understand why the farmer shot it. I think its important to remember by owning working dogs we train our dogs to do everything as they are told when they are told, the recall is the most important thing we train our dogs and the environment they work in does not tolerate mistakes easily. Dogs as pets are not normally trained to the same standard (not saying this is right or wrong) chances are this dog could have gone for years without causing any trouble to any one or any animals he just walked into the wrong field on the wrong day. I leave my dogs with my chickens and never had any problems all mine do is play with them, my collie rounds the up my springer pup runs around them trying to pounce on them but never hurt them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 As a sheep farmer who once kept many thousands of free range chickens I feel I can comment. Shooting someones pet should be the very last resort. In my view it is plain stupid and irresponsible to shoot a pet dog for killing a couple of hens let alone chasing one. As a farmer and a member of the local community one has to live and get on with people and I can assure you it's not worth falling out with everyone for the sake of a hen. Dogs worrying livestock is a civil matter and if I was the dogs owner I would be taking action for damages in the court against this daft twerp of a hobby farmer who, in my opinion, was just trying to make a point against all dog walkers. I should add that no commercial poultry farmer would keep his flock on unfenced land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 As a sheep farmer who once kept many thousands of free range chickens I feel I can comment. Shooting someones pet should be the very last resort. In my view it is plain stupid and irresponsible to shoot a pet dog for killing a couple of hens let alone chasing one. As a farmer and a member of the local community one has to live and get on with people and I can assure you it's not worth falling out with everyone for the sake of a hen. Dogs worrying livestock is a civil matter and if I was the dogs owner I would be taking action for damages in the court against this daft twerp of a hobby farmer who, in my opinion, was just trying to make a point against all dog walkers. I should add that no commercial poultry farmer would keep his flock on unfenced land. Best answer so far CharlieT, i think the bloke knew it was a dog and probably knew the owner, you don't shoot anything unless you can identify it 1st so the statement he made about he thought it was a fox was rubbish and he was trying to cover up his wrong doings, this was a malicious act in my eyes and the bloke shouldn't have a firearms license Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Best answer so far CharlieT, i think the bloke knew it was a dog and probably knew the owner, you don't shoot anything unless you can identify it 1st so the statement he made about he thought it was a fox was rubbish and he was trying to cover up his wrong doings, this was a malicious act in my eyes and the bloke shouldn't have a firearms license he thorght it was a fox at first glance, grabbed the gun and then realised it was a dog. i say he did the right thing. i would of if a dog was chasing my chickens. theres a couple of responsible dog owners who think its ok to walk there dogs of the lead with no control over the animal, up to the wood were i keep my chickens. even after repeated warnings that they shouldn't be on private land and there is snares set all around. they still come down with the dog of the lead. they have been told if the dog enters the wood its unlikely to come back out breathing if it gets in a snare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Sad but there are far too many people who think they can go where they want and do what they want when they are walking their dogs. The law says that you should keep your dog under proper control yet you see examples everyday where the potential for it to go wrong is there. My uncle has a farm which has a narrow right of way through the fields, we are constantly telling dog owners to keep their dogs on a lead as there are horses and livestock in the fields,, normally we just get abuse and right to roam **** I wouldn't think twice about despatching a dog that was causing issues. Maybe a warning shot into the floor would have been appropriate but who's to say in that spilt second a chicken could have been killed. The farmer has a right to protect his property regardless of the dogs percieved extra value over the chicken. If they loved their dog so much they would have had it on a lead. Dog owners are responsible for their dogs action and the minority who spoil it need to start acting like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Cockercas is right..... read the quote propperly : "Initially I thought it was a fox so I got my shotgun and then saw it was a dog" I would of done the same. am a dog lover but sadly joe public just dont give 2 hoots and think just because they have a dog they can wonder off paths and over private propperty because they have a dog. Sorry but there are rules and that dog was on private land off a lead without permitiona nd attacking/ chasing the chickens and i dont belive a land owner should have to wait for damage or death to occur first before shooting! Its a simple failing on the dog owners behalf ! The gun owners sight is fine and his gun is leagally held ! so the antis and upset fellow posters on that site need to wind there necks in and learn from this hard lesson ! Not a position i would ever like to be in how ever i think its pretty simple, keep dogs on leads and stay off private land and you shouldnt have any issues ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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