Road Tolls and Privatisation

[krugerandsmith]

Here we go again folks. Not content with Taxing us up to the hilt with Fuel and road charges plus VAT. The Media are telling us that our Dave is thinking of road Privatisation. WHAT!!! .....If the existing taxes were spent on the Roads ( As they should be ) our Motorways would be three tier high. Why does ....Get STUFFED ...Spring to mind

[CZ550Kevlar]

That old chestnut again, i was there when the privatised the railways at the very start of my career, all that happened was a lot of contractors and a lot of consultants got very rich, the same will happen with roads, the same consultants and contractors will get their hands in it and earn shed loads of cash.

[Livefast123]

I think that big Dave needs to bog off, I'm sick of the constant erosion of the pay I get and now he wants me to pay to drive on roads that I already pay vehicle excise duty and fuel tax for.

 

He plans to get heavy goods and passengers onto rail....thats ok if you get an expenses paid first class ticket, he has obviously never been on the 0830 Bristol - Bath where sardines in a tin have more room.

 

I have always voted Con, I never will again, they can bog off and up the revolution

[storme37]

whos surprised its another tory scam! doesn't matter who you vote fore they are all bent. there's always an option to vote the scum bags out yes you will get another load of scum bags in but hopefully they will behave for a year or so before they have your pants down.

[Livefast123]

If ONLY the British people would get some balls and stand up for themselves. This is the only time I wish we were more like the French and Spanish.

[woodcock11]

If ONLY the British people would get some balls and stand up for themselves. This is the only time I wish we were more like the French and Spanish.

 

Oh yes and in both France & Spain the motorways are largely tolled.

 

I think the tolls are really only going to apply to new or much improved roads - like parts of the A14 for example - you don't have to use them if you don't want to. You can crawl round Birmingham on the old M6 or cruise round on the M6 Toll.

 

The difference is that it is the USERS who will pay for the toll roads but they will be constructed with PRIVATE and not TAXPAYERS money - so, if you don't use them, then they will cost you nothing.

 

If tolls are going to pay for better roads, I am not sure if I see what the problem is....... and then all of this is going to provide work for the hard pressed construction industry and hopefully provide much needed employment

[KFC]

Oh yes and in both France & Spain the motorways are largely tolled.

 

I think the tolls are really only going to apply to new or much improved roads - like parts of the A14 for example - you don't have to use them if you don't want to. You can crawl round Birmingham on the old M6 or cruise round on the M6 Toll.

 

The difference is that it is the USERS who will pay for the toll roads but they will be constructed with PRIVATE and not TAXPAYERS money - so, if you don't use them, then they will cost you nothing.

 

If tolls are going to pay for better roads, I am not sure if I see what the problem is....... and then all of this is going to provide work for the hard pressed construction industry and hopefully provide much needed employment

 

I'm sure it will still be subsidised by the Taxpayer and it will be the Taxpayer and not private profits that will be used to bail out any failed contracts. It will probably be the French and Spanish toll companies that end up running them too.

[storme37]

I'm sure it will still be subsidised by the Taxpayer and it will be the Taxpayer and not private profits that will be used to bail out any failed contracts. It will probably be the French and Spanish toll companies that end up running them too.

 

your not wrong i expect we will be sold out as usual lol

[krugerandsmith]

Oh yes and in both France & Spain the motorways are largely tolled.

 

I think the tolls are really only going to apply to new or much improved roads - like parts of the A14 for example - you don't have to use them if you don't want to. You can crawl round Birmingham on the old M6 or cruise round on the M6 Toll.

 

The difference is that it is the USERS who will pay for the toll roads but they will be constructed with PRIVATE and not TAXPAYERS money - so, if you don't use them, then they will cost you nothing.

 

If tolls are going to pay for better roads, I am not sure if I see what the problem is....... and then all of this is going to provide work for the hard pressed construction industry and hopefully provide much needed employment

 

woodcock.

God bless you for your naivity ( If tolls are going to pay for better roads ) Road tax collected Forty-eight Billion pounds ( £48 Billion ) Road tax spent on roads.... NINE BILLION POUNDS ( £9 BILLION ). Now I am not Einstein but can you tell me what happened to the other £38 Billion?.... If it has been spent on the NHS admit to the fact, don't try to hide and disguise.

[woodcock11]

woodcock.

God bless you for your naivity ( If tolls are going to pay for better roads ) Road tax collected Forty-eight Billion pounds ( £48 Billion ) Road tax spent on roads.... NINE BILLION POUNDS ( £9 BILLION ). Now I am not Einstein but can you tell me what happened to the other £38 Billion?.... If it has been spent on the NHS admit to the fact, don't try to hide and disguise.

 

 

The first word in my final paragraph was IF Neither you nor I know the answer - sadly so let us wait & see...

 

ps I do agree that road taxes should be spent on roads but unfortunately that only tends to happen in an ideal world, which I - for one - am not living in!

[la bala]

Here we go again folks. Not content with Taxing us up to the hilt with Fuel and road charges plus VAT. The Media are telling us that our Dave is thinking of road Privatisation. WHAT!!! .....If the existing taxes were spent on the Roads ( As they should be ) our Motorways would be three tier high. Why does ....Get STUFFED ...Spring to mind

 

if they spent all the road fuel taxes, the road fund taxes on roads, where would they get the dosh for all the benefit hangers on.

[Gimlet]

As I understand it road tax was never intended to fund the roads network. It was brought in to help pay for the war effort and would, it was claimed at the time, be temporary. It was retained after the war, temporarily, to help boost depleted coffers. Economic reconstruction coincided with mass car ownership and a trickle became a torrent. It was just too good to give up. Think of it as a pioneering stealth tax, a marker on the road to the central institutionalised embezzlement by the State of the private income of its citizens. Of course it isn't spent on roads.

The system of taxation used in this country has evolved into something akin to a mafia protection racket: you pay to avoid punishment, you are promised all sorts of improvements which never materialise, the money never seems to go anywhere yet those who control you grow in wealth and power and no one ever sees the books.

[utectok]

If rail privatisation is the model the road sale will cost the driver more cost the taxpayer more in subsidies and be less well maintained. A few foreign companies will get rich though!

[CZ550Kevlar]

If rail privatisation is the model the road sale will cost the driver more cost the taxpayer more in subsidies and be less well maintained. A few foreign companies will get rich though!

 

Private companies from abroad are already doing very very very well from the system as it is working on various motorway schemes etc i worked for 2 of the biggest and the numbers were monstrous let alone on a widespread scale.

[utectok]

Yeah I say keep the money go round local

[krugerandsmith]

As I understand it road tax was never intended to fund the roads network. It was brought in to help pay for the war effort and would, it was claimed at the time, be temporary. It was retained after the war, temporarily, to help boost depleted coffers. Economic reconstruction coincided with mass car ownership and a trickle became a torrent. It was just too good to give up. Think of it as a pioneering stealth tax, a marker on the road to the central institutionalised embezzlement by the State of the private income of its citizens. Of course it isn't spent on roads.

The system of taxation used in this country has evolved into something akin to a mafia protection racket: you pay to avoid punishment, you are promised all sorts of improvements which never materialise, the money never seems to go anywhere yet those who control you grow in wealth and power and no one ever sees the books.

 

Gimlet.

Yes .. Very true, however todays news from Dave & George ....We are all to recieve a breakdown as to where our Taxes are going. Now can they please tell me how much this is exercise is to cost, and the part that says Dept payment ... To whom and can we have another breakdown as to how much money is owed.

[Livefast123]

You've only got to look at the Severn Bridge fiasco to work out that the motorist isn't going to come out smelling of roses. After the French company surpassed the actual cost of the project they were only allowed to toll to cover the running costs of the bridge and a small profit.

 

Suprise suprise, tolls have gone up year on year and they are now making millions of profit each year. Now, of course businesses are in the game to make money but they have broken their contract and the government does nothing about it. £6 for a car to travel a few miles, 12 odd for a van and £18.60 for a truck, it's no wonder Wales has difficulty getting investment when firms would have to pay that everytime a HGV, rep or van came into the country.

[CZ550Kevlar]

You've only got to look at the Severn Bridge fiasco to work out that the motorist isn't going to come out smelling of roses. After the French company surpassed the actual cost of the project they were only allowed to toll to cover the running costs of the bridge and a small profit.

 

Suprise suprise, tolls have gone up year on year and they are now making millions of profit each year. Now, of course businesses are in the game to make money but they have broken their contract and the government does nothing about it. £6 for a car to travel a few miles, 12 odd for a van and £18.60 for a truck, it's no wonder Wales has difficulty getting investment when firms would have to pay that everytime a HGV, rep or van came into the country.

 

Dartford crossing is the same.

[Dr W]

I try and avoid both areas

[wymberley]

It's a ploy.

The government will let the contractors charge whatever tolls they wish to levy in return for maintaining the road wetwork. But, the government knows it's going to tax/price the UK motorists/hauliers off the roads and as the foreign hauliers don't pay our taxes, only they will afford the tolls. With the UK transport virtually non existant, the goverment have found a way to keep the roads open in a state of emergency for almost no expense.

Meanwhile, we'll all be working in Tescos for £50 a week dole money.

The smart chap is the guy that got his coded welding qualification and promptly emigrated.

[Gimlet]

Gimlet.

Yes .. Very true, however todays news from Dave & George ....We are all to recieve a breakdown as to where our Taxes are going. Now can they please tell me how much this is exercise is to cost, and the part that says Dept payment ... To whom and can we have another breakdown as to how much money is owed.

 

The 'breakdown' is just a political gimmick and as you suggest probably an expensive one. For a start it refers to income tax. Income tax may be 20-25%, but the total tax take for most people when stealth taxes, VAT, duty on this and duty on that are included is about 50%. For many iy is more. This chart takes none of that into account. Nor does it mention the £150,000,000,000 deficit, which Mr Osborne is increasing.

And without a full public audit to accompany such an exercise segments on a pie chart are meaningless when we have to take on trust the Government's definition of what, for example, constitutes 'welfare'. An old-age pension is welfare, welfare tourism by immigrants is just theft. Perhaps they should add a section marked 'EU and Commonwhealth Imposed Asset Stripping'.

[storme37]

time the british people woke up imagine we once had an empire now we cant even stop our greedy bankers and politicians shafting us it makes me ashamed. i know we can always blame someone else like we always do.

Edited March 20, 2012 by storme37

[vulpicide]

I can't work it out my head hurts we own the roads but we'll give them to someone else and they'll charge us to use them how do we benefit from that? In France they have toll motorways no roadtax and cheaper fuel IT'S ONLY POLITICIANS THAT THINK THAT BRITAINS GREAT. :yp: My head hurts! :blink:

[ME]

At the moment there are hundreds of foreign trucks using foreign purchased fuel wearing out our roads on a daily basis and contributing nothing to the upkeep.

 

This will surely tax the people that use the roads most?

Edited March 20, 2012 by ME

[utectok]

This is on the nail I reckon!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/mar/19/private-overhaul-roads-terrible-deal

Cheers Will