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Hello all,

 

I've recently purchased a Hatsan Escort Magnum 3.5" as my first shotgun. The shop I bought it from told me that 28gm 70mm cartridges would be adequate and not cause any issues with cycling- despite my doubts as the manual suggests that it will not cycle anything lighter than a 32g 70mm. When I voiced my doubts, the staff assured me that 28s wouldn't be a problem as the gun was second hand and would therefore be "broken in".

 

I took it out for a round of clays with 28g Eley VIPs and must have had to clear the breach, of a half loaded cartridge, and manually re-load 20 of my 30 second shots, much to the amusement of my friends (Whenever I stepped up to the plate it was suggested that everyone else went for a pint!).

 

As I'm fairly new to shooting and even newer to owning a gun, I wanted your opinions on what the shop told me. Should I take the cartridges back (the shop are happy to do this), or should I give the gun a good oiling? Personally I've got no issues buying 70mm 32g cartridges.

 

Thank you in advance for your replies.

 

 

 

PS: I don't need any comments of "Get anything other than an Escort". I wanted a knock about all purpose semi-auto and it was in my price range (which was rather restrictive!!)

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The key thing with semi auto's is to keep them clean so personally I would strip it down and give it a good clean. You know the job has been done right and you'll learn lots about the gun.

 

Hatsans also have an O ring which if faulty or incorrectly positioned will cause cycling problems, I'm sure an owner will come along soon to offer first hand advice.

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The key thing with semi auto's is to keep them clean so personally I would strip it down and give it a good clean. You know the job has been done right and you'll learn lots about the gun.

 

Hatsans also have an O ring which if faulty or incorrectly positioned will cause cycling problems, I'm sure an owner will come along soon to offer first hand advice.

 

Agreed, semiautolee did a demo of stripping and cleaning the escort. I have the same gun and it seems to like supergem 28g 70mm fine, but not eley superb. You may find a faster cart will help. Hopefully this link will work.

 

http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/155029-best-way-to-cleanbehind/page__hl__+cleaning%20+escort#entry1319080

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i have a MP24A and yes they don't like light loads ,i tried gamebore golds and clear pigeon didn't like them ,they do like eley first 7.5 ,stick to 32g ,and dont take any notice of what people say about hatsan ,i shoot next to benelli and sagia 12 and remmys ,they all have there problems ,at the end of the day you could have a purdey but they are all steel tubes that shoot lead ,its all down to the nut behind the but

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxBCR-e_9XA

 

and another one

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfTDQybeOVU

 

one more lol

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o9ZHRuDdGw

 

and one more lol

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o9ZHRuDdGw

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You may find a faster cart will help.

 

The VIP is a faster cartridge I'm afraid!!

 

That link is one I'll definitely use if I keep the Escort. I'm of a mind not to strip it and clean the mechanism until I've spoken to the chaps at the store- I feel if I strip it, I'm acknowledging that the cartridges are fine and it's the gun.

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The VIP is a faster cartridge I'm afraid!!

 

That link is one I'll definitely use if I keep the Escort. I'm of a mind not to strip it and clean the mechanism until I've spoken to the chaps at the store- I feel if I strip it, I'm acknowledging that the cartridges are fine and it's the gun.

if they strip it ask then to clean the gas ports in the barrel ,the thing with semis is they use gas to cycle them and they like to be clean
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Personally I've got no issues buying 70mm 32g cartridges.

 

Thank you in advance for your replies.

 

 

 

PS: I don't need any comments of "Get anything other than an Escort". I wanted a knock about all purpose semi-auto and it was in my price range (which was rather restrictive!!)

 

Why a semi? Why 3.5" as you say your new to shooting......

 

The clay ground may well have issue with you firing 32g loads.......28g max 7.5 shot or smaller for most

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3.5" hatsans can be troublesome,as a previous post suggest get the 3"

 

+1. No problems cycling 24g loads in my 3" version (so long as its clean). Dont see a need for the 3.5" unless your fowling. But even then, a 3" will do just fine

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3.5" hatsans can be troublesome,as a previous post suggest get the 3"

 

Also get the latest model with the extended chokes, as supposed to be more reliable as they have improved the gun, I spoke to Edgar Bros the other day as wanted to check when certain ser no.s were made, so if unsure of dates give them a ring to see when it was made and which varient it is, found they were very helpful.

 

Some grounds impose a max load and shot size, 28G is the reconised max load for shooting clays, think some grounds near me have a max shot size of 7.

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As said above you shouldnt have any issues with 28gram loads in any semi apart from maybe those soft as muck hull comp x`s !

Eley first or Eley olympics in a 28gram should cycle fine in your gun ! Is your Hatsan one that you can turn the gas piston around on for lighter/hevier loads ? may be worth checking that.

 

I would take your gun back and get your cash back or find a different semi !

 

And normally 28gram is the heaviest load for a clay ground !

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EVERYONE HAS MISSED WHAT THE GUN MANUAL STATED, QUOTE " THIS 3 1/2 GUN WILL NOT CYCLE ANYTHING LESS THAN 32 GRAMS,"

 

The shop were wrong to tell you anything different, I would take it back and demand a refund on the fact you were ill advised, then buy a 3 inch one. I have a 3" hatsan it has never missed cycling anything, All the snobs that knock them probably have the 3 1/2 chamber and are missusing them the same as you are, the 3 1/2 is designed for heavy loads as the manual states.

Good luck, don`t take any ******** be strong the shop was wrong.

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Get in touch with Denny Essex, he uses the 3 1/2" chamber Hatsan, and I have never seen him have cycling issues. I know he doesn't clean it after every outing either. I've shot with Denny many times and don't recall any cycling issues. The odd one maybe but definitely not every outing and no more so than my Benelli semi auto does.

Ask him what cartridges he puts through his.

 

Cos

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As said above you shouldnt have any issues with 28gram loads in any semi apart from maybe those soft as muck hull comp x`s !

Eley first or Eley olympics in a 28gram should cycle fine in your gun ! Is your Hatsan one that you can turn the gas piston around on for lighter/hevier loads ? may be worth checking that.

 

I would take your gun back and get your cash back or find a different semi !

 

And normally 28gram is the heaviest load for a clay ground !

Iv never known you could turn the gas piston around?

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