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As I said before the Hull Comp-X are too short to cycle properly, it's not the power it's the physical length, I bought 2000 of them and found out the hard way.

 

They work perfectly in two's, one in the chamber and one in the mag for clay pigeon but two in the mag will jam even when cycling the action by hand. They do exactly the same in a mk2 or mk3 Escort and also in my new section 1 7+1 Escort MPA.

 

Fibre or plastic makes no difference, I've put over 7000+ fibre wad through my original Escort without a problem (apart from the Comp-X that is!).

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All makes of semi can be cartridge fussy, a friend has a more expensive semi and it hates certain types of cartridge. Have a search of my threads as I asked which cartridges work well in a escorts, might be worth trying a box out of the list that was suggested. Sorry can't post a direct link as pad won't allow me to do a copy & paste

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basically the answer i got was if i want a gun thats not cartidge fussy i should have bought a more expensive gun :sad1:

 

I tend to agree, did you buy privately?

 

If you wanted an unfussy gun shouldn't have bought a semi at all......

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thanks for the replies regarding fibre/plas wads. i had already emailed the seller back regarding them

 

basically the answer i got was if i want a gun thats not cartidge fussy i should have bought a more expensive gun :sad1:

 

Buying a more expensive gun is no guarantee of it not being cartridge fussy. Semi's can be like that.

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iv had 3 escorts and 2 out of the 3 were rubbish wouldnt cycle properly and rattling to bits the 1st one i bought was brilliant never had a problem. there very tempremental guns. alot love em and alot hate em. personaly i wouldnt buy another but thats just me. hope you get it sorted. rockers, mine had same probs as urs!

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I If you wanted an unfussy gun shouldn't have bought a semi at all......

 

Buying a more expensive gun is no guarantee of it not being cartridge fussy. Semi's can be like that.

 

i understand semi auto's and escorts in particular are not the best of guns and i know some owners have had issues, some major issues. i understood and accepted this before buying the gun, but should i really expect a minimum 30% failure rate, and one that is generally double that... and mix in the fact that it just went of while sitting on my lap. i dont believe so

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we had the same with a saiga 12 ,its meant to shoot any load ,well after trying many loads ,then doing some polishing well alot of polishing and changing the return spring and the gas plug ,its great ,when i got my MP24A i just found 70mm are the better cart and clean the guts well after use

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When I bought my beretta 20g auto it was absolutely minging, thick coat of carbon/dried oil every where bolt was black as was the chamber area . I used it for a lot of shots before I cleaned it as I was bored one day and it never ever failed to cycle!

 

Moral of this story, pay a bit more and buy a used beretta, I've had 2 now and there brilliant, you can even buy some for less than a new hatsan!

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Use the cartridges indicated in the handbook! Don't bitch about your semi when you're using 65-67mm carts when it's only designed for 70-76mm!

If you haven't put it together right, it's also not the shotguns fault...

 

I've owned 2 Hatsans - and seen many more owners. The worst I've seen is about one cycle failure per hundred carts... and then, it usually a cart trapped in the ejector - which happens to all semis occasionally.

 

Mine gets used for PSG and I rarely get any stoppage - even after firing 200+ carts in a morning (and that gets it hot).

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Use the cartridges indicated in the handbook! Don't bitch about your semi when you're using 65-67mm carts when it's only designed for 70-76mm!

If you haven't put it together right, it's also not the shotguns fault...

 

I've owned 2 Hatsans - and seen many more owners. The worst I've seen is about one cycle failure per hundred carts... and then, it usually a cart trapped in the ejector - which happens to all semis occasionally.

 

Mine gets used for PSG and I rarely get any stoppage - even after firing 200+ carts in a morning (and that gets it hot).

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im not a fool, i understand that i need to use 70mm carts and if you look at my other posts youll see that my carts are 70mm 32 gramm clear pigeon, after the previous owner said to try other carts i tried quite a few only one of them was less than 70mm and i only used that as i was trying as many types of cart as i could get my hands on and the guy i was shooting with that night was using 67mm. as for put together right, thats a fair comment which is why i had someone who is a long term escort user to have a look at it and he could see no issue with it.. i just want to know why only one in three shots is loading right.. i dont think im bitching about it, think its a fair to ask the questions on here when this is happening :(

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Old style Clear Pigeon with a clear case were all 65mm. New style Clear Pigeon with a black case are all 70mm.

 

Only the fiber wad, old clear pigeon were 65mm. The plastic wad were 70mm.

 

 

Iv not heard of anyone having any problems with the Armsan semi autos, might be worth a look as an alternative...

 

 

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im not a fool, i understand that i need to use 70mm carts and if you look at my other posts youll see that my carts are 70mm 32 gramm clear pigeon, after the previous owner said to try other carts i tried quite a few only one of them was less than 70mm and i only used that as i was trying as many types of cart as i could get my hands on and the guy i was shooting with that night was using 67mm. as for put together right, thats a fair comment which is why i had someone who is a long term escort user to have a look at it and he could see no issue with it.. i just want to know why only one in three shots is loading right.. i dont think im bitching about it, think its a fair to ask the questions on here when this is happening :(

 

My comment wasn't aimed at you specifically - but over the 5 pages of this thread there have been a few users complaining about it not cycling the right carts...

 

For you, if it's only loading one in three carts - that's not unreliable - that's broken!

 

I see you bought the gun second-hand. I suspect they sold it knowing there's an issue with it... Get it checked by an experienced gunsmith that's not a gun snob.

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If it's only loading one in three carts - that's not unreliable - that's broken!

 

I see you bought the gun second-hand. I suspect they sold it knowing there's an issue with it... Get it checked by an experienced gunsmith that's not a gun snob.

 

Have to agree, if you tried various makes sizes and punchyness and its been cleaned and oiled, its worth having the gun checked over, might be some thing simple causing the recycling problem. I have used 67 mm cartridges in mine without promlems so far, but the general opinion is 70 mm are the prefered cartridge length.

 

Also I found Edgar Brothers gun room were very helpful, when I wanted some help before I bought my escort, they might be able point you to whats likeyly causing your problems.

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Hi Again guys,

Did write earlier on this subject: 3.5" / 3" :

Obviously if you buy a 3.5" it will be a gun designed for taking longer cartridges, (Make Sense)?..

If you Buy the 3" then you can expect to put lower grain cartridges, its not rocket science:

Its All about horses for courses, if you shoot just for clay shooting, buy a 3", if you want a bigger load for wildfowling don`t bitch about it not taking 24 gram cartridges, it was not designed for that low: :no: . 3" is,, that is why you drop to 3":

The Spring is designed for what you put in, STRONGER Spring in the 3.5", not so strong on a 3", Thats why it cycles Better: :good:

Wonder if changing the spring would allow you to put 24/28 in:

Just a thought:

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fosters, can you post here and let us know how you get on, ive had the number of a fairly local gunsmith for a month or two now but had problems getting an answer and have been so busy since havent got around to trying again... i guess if id actually been able to get out and shoot the past two months id have had more of a reason to push myself to get it looked at

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