bigbird Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 Ok so we have the quintessentiall (sp?!) Labs and spaniels as gundogs but being a rank amateur and not sure what other dogs such as pointers do in a rough shooting context - what other choices as regards breeds do we have? Has anyone had great results with a breed trhat you wouldn't associate with 'gundogism'? Has anyone an obscure breed that we (ok, people like me specifically!) May not know about? Please share. Aplogies for caps and terrible punctuation I'm on my phone! Cheers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted September 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 (Talking both beating dogs and peg dogs here). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon 3 Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 Flatcoat retriever. I know of 2 very good dogs, one is a picking up dog, the other a beaters/wildfowlers dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 My border terrier puts a lot of the spaniels to shame in the beating line but the best picking up dog on the shoot is a lab cross staffy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontbeck Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 How serious are you in your shooting ? I`ve been shooting for more years than I care to remember and have not seen a single dog of any breed I would take over a springer, cocker or lab.Shooters have been breeding for generations to get what they consider the right dog for the job and those are the three breeds I mentioned above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan gun Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Dad had a clumber spaniel was very methodical in its work ethics and put up more game after springers had been through ,it never missed a thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted September 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 That's interesting.pontbeck, I was only asking out of interest, as we already have a labrador and a cocker! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatcatsplat Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Dad had a clumber spaniel was very methodical in its work ethics and put up more game after springers had been through ,it never missed a thing Same here - Mine's not the quickest dog in the world, but she won't go in where there's no scent and as you say above, she'll find game long after every other dog has been through - You can positively see her nose twitching from side to side when she's scenting. Damned if i can get her into water though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 A good GSP (German Shorthaired Pointer) is hard to beat... but good ones are like hen's teeth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 unless you have a wired one WGD simply a few of the alternative breeds are more known for blood trailing and tracking wounded larger game, so basically in the UK deer. They are very different to the usual gundogs but can be pretty adaptable. I've got a GWP who I use for a mix of rough shooting, beating and she also comes stalking and foxing. Hunts very hard when on birds and has turned out to be rather handy beating as she steadies up when there is lots of game about which is ideal at the end of drives. Lamping she sits on the back seat or more usually sleeps till you have a shot then she is up ready to look for the fox you've just shot, the plus point if you were to wound one she will happily bring it back dead. Far from conventional but quite a fun dog in the run of things and suits the shooting I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Can't think of the breed name but there is an Italian gun dog with webbed feet great swimmers and used for shooting rare and expensive in the uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan gun Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Same here - Mine's not the quickest dog in the world, but she won't go in where there's no scent and as you say above, she'll find game long after every other dog has been through - You can positively see her nose twitching from side to side when she's scenting. Damned if i can get her into water though. Our old clumber loved water the problem we had was getting him out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan gun Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Can't think of the breed name but there is an Italian gun dog with webbed feet great swimmers and used for shooting rare and expensive in the uk I think they are called spinnonies give or take on the spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) Thanks http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinone_Italiano#section_4 looks like them the one I know is a bitch about springer sized and lovely dog (owners don't shoot) so note sure his accomplished they are in the feild Edited September 3, 2012 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 it shouldn't really be anywhere near springer sized if its a spinone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMart Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 personally I wouldn't give 99% of any of the HPR breeds kennel room. Especially not one breed here in the UK. To small a gene pool in the UK for there to be a reliable souce of decent working stock. Not quite as bad as the HMH and BMH but not far from it. Breed/working standards over on the contient however are much more stringent and the choice of well known long established lines are far greater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMart Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Dad had a clumber spaniel was very methodical in its work ethics and put up more game after springers had been through ,it never missed a thing Good working clumbers are few and far between but they can be found, more so now than 20 years ago. I'd happily have one in the kennel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Maybe more large cocker ( mid size dog) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty J Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 I work a Spinone and think shes brilliant but you could buy 2 or 3 Labs or Springers for the same money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Ah ha the one i met is a Lagotto Romagnolo smaller than the Spinone... http://www.redorbit.com/education/reference_library/science_1/domestic_dog_breeds/2580958/lagotto_romagnolo/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Can't think of the breed name but there is an Italian gun dog with webbed feet great swimmers and used for shooting rare and expensive in the uk spinone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird Posted September 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Jmart please could you explain to me the abbreviations in your post and what they stand for? (Told you I was a rank amateur!!)Many thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 spinone NO the lesser known apparently Lagotto Romagnolo Ah ha the one i met is a Lagotto Romagnolo smaller than the Spinone... http://www.redorbit....otto_romagnolo/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenntiger Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 i love rough shooting and pigeon shooting and picking up on shoots i have had labs for 30 years now and i haye,nt had any probs with them they have worked cover any kind the only prob is they tire quicker than spaniels but apart from that they are to me one of the best gundogs you will own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan gun Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 NO the lesser known apparently Lagotto Romagnolo Im glad i didnt try to spell that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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