al4x Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 but honestly would you do the same If he shut them in the bedroom got a gun from the safe loaded it and waited there till they entered and had no option then yes I probably would do the same. I'd also made damn sure it was the auto so I had a few to use. Sounds like this story will make them some money the papers will love the full facts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) I'm pretty supportive of the police, but why is this the case? If this had happend to me I'd have no problem being unterviewed under caution. But why should I have to be arrested for this to happen? They were victims of circumstances that were none of their making. Nial If you deliberately shoot one you are going to get arrested. The police are not just going to believe you that it was self defence. They have to investigate what happened and that's the way it should be. Edited September 5, 2012 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Brilliant news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
station Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Good news indeed. Let's hope that low life's from everywhere read (if they can) or hear about it on the news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggins. Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 I believe that the police are right in arresting and detaining the shooters until the true facts are known. Who ever they are. In all cases like this they are damned if they do and damned if they don`t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nial Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) If you deliberately shoot one you are going to get arrested. The police are not just going to believe you that it was self defence. Why not? Clean record, 4 people (unrelated to them) in the house. They could confiscate all guns but why does the home-owner have to be arrested? They're hardly going to skip the country, they can be interviewed under caution then arrested if it looks like they're in the wrong. Edited September 5, 2012 by Nial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 i think once the shootings start you can expect some hassle but as long as it turns out right, alls well that ends well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Justice served at last. Let's hope other thieving scum take note. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Why not? Clean record, 4 people (unrelated to them) in the house. They could confiscate all guns but why does the home-owner have to be arrested? They're hardly going to skip the country, they can be interviewed under caution then arrested if it looks like they're in the wrong. at a guess it keeps the story straight and them out of the way of the media etc What we don't know is how they were treated by the police if it was pleasantly with a we just need to sort out facts etc then fine. The other way to look at it is they need to be damned sure all the loose ends are tied up to stop any possible private prosecution by the scum bags involved. The facts are you can't shoot or stab someone in this country without being arrested, its the way it should be to ascertain the facts then due process being gone through to drop the charges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggins. Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 "The facts are you can't shoot or stab someone in this country without being arrested, its the way it should be to ascertain the facts then due process being gone through to drop the charges". Exactly. Who amongst us thinks that Tony Martin was justified in shooting Fred Barrass in the back? Just one of the facts that have to be considered at the time. Personally i just hope that homeowners don`t think that they can start discharging firearms willy nilly because they heard a bump in the night. We are seeing steps in the right directions and we should be thankful for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 please don't start on Tony Martin, his case is of no significance to legal self defence. He should have gone down illegal gun people shot in the back exactly what shouldn't be allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSPUK Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 We couldn't have wished for a better picture of the couple. Glad they have been released. http://www.dailymail...ed-cottage.html Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerH Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Would be interesting to see whether the shotgun certificate is retained though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 with the press attention the FEO will tick every box very carefully, if the gun had been in proper storage then there would be a potential ****storm if they revoked the certificate, or failed to renew. If they emigrate then there may be no issue but if they stay it might crop up in the news in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asa Bear Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 It is right they were questioned thoroughly, as has already been mentioned, if only to tie up all loose ends to avoid any future private prosecutions. However I feel home arrest would be more appropriate. Especially as they had been the victim of an ordeal, no need to stretch it out over three days in a police cell! !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Home arrest in the crime scene? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asa Bear Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Home arrest in the crime scene? Fair point but there's got to be a better alternative than nicking victims of an aggravated burglary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss.tony Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 WOW AT LAST a big pat on the back for police and cps in not locking up a decent bloke looking after his family lest the scum who do this too poor people at night will think twice before they try now thats what i call a result well done fella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantellissheffield Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 (edited) how long before hull are makeing home deffence rounds then with bean bags inside.. could always put rock salt into some clay carts i suppose.. Edited September 6, 2012 by grantellissheffield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b16jus Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 how long before hull are makeing home deffence rounds then with bean bags inside.. could always put rock salt into some clay carts i suppose.. wouldnt rocksalt still punture the skin at short distance ? a beanbag in the chest at 20ft would hurt BUT if you miss by god you need to get the next shot on target otherwise ther will be one very angry burgler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 non lethal loads would be great if it disables attackers with out killing BUT what happens if the attacker is armed with lethal load? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted September 7, 2012 Report Share Posted September 7, 2012 wouldnt rocksalt still punture the skin at short distance ? It worked for Granny Clampett :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted September 7, 2012 Report Share Posted September 7, 2012 non lethal loads would be great because it would give the householder a choice to risk non lethal force if he chooses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted September 7, 2012 Report Share Posted September 7, 2012 For once its the CPS who have called the shots and driven the Police to release them. I wonder what the real Police line on this is, ie, what would they have done if they hadn't been instructed to release them. Would the same conclusion have been reached. I imagine not or they would have been out sooner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted September 7, 2012 Report Share Posted September 7, 2012 When will the burglar's solicitor claim for damages? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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