Albert 888 Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Ok i have been hunting around for a .22lr for a while now,i was set on getting a cz 452 16"varmint,then changed my mind and thought about getting a cz455t/h varmint. But i dont think i will get on with the stock. So what do you guys think of the Weihrauch hw 60j-hw66 models. Reason i ask as i have shot with the others but not the weihrauch,which does feel better in the hand and the bolt also feels better. I would like to get it right first time if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cottonseed Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Nowt wrong with any of the CZs, but the triggers on the Weihrauchs you mention are very good. It all depends if a good trigger and good build quality are worth paying about a third more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 CZ is reliable and accurate. If I won £100,000,000 on the Euro lottery I'd keep my .17HMR/.22RF from CZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted October 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Shot with cz's which i do like,also own a centerfire cz which is great. I do like the hw tho and they do feel better quility. But they do cost £200 more. Which isnt that much of a problem as it will be a keeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 I have a CZ455 in 22lr in walnut stock and a CZ455 IN 17hmr thumbhole.Just wanted a different stock on each and neither of them is a problem.I get on with both and like the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 CZ is reliable and accurate. If I won £100,000,000 on the Euro lottery I'd keep my .17HMR/.22RF from CZ. I agree with apache, you might get a slightly more refined gun for more money but they won't be any more reliable or noticably more accurate in the hands of most of us. Cz's are fantastic value for money so why pay more than you need too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Shot with cz's which i do like,also own a centerfire cz which is great. I do like the hw tho and they do feel better quility. But they do cost £200 more. Which isnt that much of a problem as it will be a keeper. If you pick it up and it immediately floats your boat more than the CZ, buy it. Its your money, it'll be your gun and you'll be the person shooting it. I've got two HW60Js. They're like silk to shoot and the standard and durability of finish is one of the best in the business. My only criticism is the lack of aftersales and spares availability. Don't lose your mag, it'll cost you £50. Weihrauch really should get on top of this. Its a bit like German cars, the Germanic brain simply cannot compute the idea that something might possibly break or one day go wrong with something they have made and a spare part be required. I wouldn't swap mine for a CZ though. But its your choice you don't have to justify it whatever you decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telf Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 i agree with gimlet its what suits you,i bought a cz .17 hmr and then bought an anschutz 1417 .22lr,very shortly after i sold the cz and bought an anschutz 1517 .17 hmr !,nothing wrong with czs just the anschutz felt so much better for me.Buy what you want,its your gun and your the one useing it atb dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Buy what feels right to you, otherwise you will always be wishing you had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 The CZ's may not have a better trigger than rifle's that cost a lot more, but they can be tweaked to make them better, for very little cost. My CZ 452 (.17HMR) came with a reasonable trigger, but with a little work, it is now even better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 (edited) comes down to personal choice when debating between two good rifles.... which one do you like best? Edited October 21, 2012 by thepasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 As mentioned also have a peek at an Annie, come in thumbhole or traditional stocks. Easier to get bits for but pricey mags etc yet again. They do make the most well sort after target .22's and specialise in rimfire. the sporter also carries a slightly modified match action and a short high quality barrel that carries a degree of choke. Of course you know what i would get- but it aint my gun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckytrigger Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 The CZ's may not have a better trigger than rifle's that cost a lot more, but they can be tweaked to make them better, for very little cost. My CZ 452 (.17HMR) came with a reasonable trigger, but with a little work, it is now even better. I agree Steve, I have the same cz hmr as yourself which i bought s/h it came with the factory trigger which although useable is heavy. I fitted an after market trigger kit which transformed the rifle and i did the same with my old brno 22lr. I now have a couple of tack drivers which stand me at little money. I would never use a fancy stocked expensive rifle as i would worry too much about dinging them. Must admit i do like the hw60 though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 There's another aspect. Before I bought my first HW I had assumed I'd go home with a CZ tucked under my arm. I wanted a working vermin gun and I didn't have money to burn. The finish, refinement, trigger etc of the Weihrauchs certainly turned my head and took me back for a second look, but the real clincher was it just felt much better at the shoulder. It fitted me perfectly and felt more 'shootable' and less cramped than the CZ. That does matter and its got nothing to do with cost, refinement, desirability, its whether your body and the rifle fit together, and only you can tell. A decent .22LR is a lifelong gun, so get one that fits and feels right, whatever the spec, because you could have it a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 I have a CZ 452 in .17 HMR and have previously owned a BRNO model 2e in .22. My current .22LR is a Weihrauch HW60J. It's not better than a CZ, just different. It's better finished if that's important to you (deeper bluing, nicer wood) and has a better trigger, though I have had a few niggles with my trigger. It doesn't shoot noticeably better than a CZ - they are both superbly accurate with the right ammo. CZs are superb value for money, solidly built and accurate workmanlike guns. One downside with the HW60, they only do 5 shot mags which are expensive and rarer than rocking horse poo. You wont go wrong with either, it comes down to which you prefer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Cheers guys i will mull over it untill i stumble on the right one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 CZ is reliable and accurate. If I won £100,000,000 on the Euro lottery I'd keep my .17HMR/.22RF from CZ. Same here. I bought a trigger kit for both of my CZ's. (.22lr and .17hmr) Only £14 each kit. Made a good gun even better. I was checking the zero on my .22lr yesterday before going out hunting. The target was 60 yards away. I went over to check the target as could only see one hole after shooting 5 rounds, and thought i was missing. But discovered the bullets were going through the first hole! What more could you ask for in a cheap gun?? Having said that the HW66 is a lovely looking gun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 I have a Weihrauch, just not the 22LR and the only possible improvement over this maker for a keeper is the Anschutz and, for me, the carbine thumbhole in particular. But the best rifle of all is the one that you prefer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted October 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Well guys thanks for all the help and info. I bit the bullet and have ordered a brand new cz 455 16" varmint with a normal stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat g Posted October 25, 2012 Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Have a look for a Sako Finfire mate. Not many about, but occasionally a few do crop up. They do still command high prices for a used rife but whats that tell you. Ask any RFD and he will tell you that if he has a Finfire in stock it won't hang around for long. Many, myself included consider them to be the best 22lr ever produced and for good reason. HW 66 also a lovely rifle as is the annie. Having said that i also have a CZ in HMR and again they are a cracking rifle that you won't go far wrong with. Sometimes though its nice to have something "different" and all of the rifles mentioned do offer a little more quality IMO although none will offer any more accuracy over a CZ tbh. Like i say though do try and have a look at a Finfire if you can find one ATB, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted October 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2012 Have a look for a Sako Finfire mate. Not many about, but occasionally a few do crop up. They do still command high prices for a used rife but whats that tell you. Ask any RFD and he will tell you that if he has a Finfire in stock it won't hang around for long. Many, myself included consider them to be the best 22lr ever produced and for good reason. HW 66 also a lovely rifle as is the annie. Having said that i also have a CZ in HMR and again they are a cracking rifle that you won't go far wrong with. Sometimes though its nice to have something "different" and all of the rifles mentioned do offer a little more quality IMO although none will offer any more accuracy over a CZ tbh. Like i say though do try and have a look at a Finfire if you can find one ATB, Pat Ordered a cz 455 16" varmint normal stock. Got fed up hunting for a sako with a varmint barrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat g Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 Ordered a cz 455 16" varmint normal stock. Got fed up hunting for a sako with a varmint barrel A wise choice at the end of the day. Finfire's don't come up that often as people generally seem to hang onto them. You wont go far wrong with the CZ. Enjoy it ATB, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
station Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 Good choice - solid build and very reliable. Get a spring kit for the trigger from somewhere, fit the spring that best suits your needs, then give / sell the rest of the kit to a 452 owner. Happy days ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2202vinny Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Hi i own a finfire-i have shot annys and cz's and i have a custom ruger-and shot lots of comps-if you are target shooting the sako i tops no doubts-but if you are rabbit bashing any will do up to 80yrds-the secret is good ammo and all the above will shoot out to 100 (maybe ruger could let you down but its a different beast)-my opionions are all with good ammo are brno or cz(same rifle near as dam it)brno £150,cz£250,anny £400, sako £500 ish,but people are still asking to much for rifles when you can add another £100 and buy new-be wary of rifles with scopes cos 9 times out ten they are pants,and you will want to put on a scope that suits your purpose,and watch out for mod's/silencers most will make the rifle more unaccurate(trust me)and when you shot a rabbit the thump on impact will scare them of anyway, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted November 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Ended up whith a cz in the end thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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