Glenshooter Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 I was shooting with my lad at the weekend using my Browning GP Sporter. We both shot around 100 cartridges. I had 4 misfires, probably 'light strikes', and he had none. (All 4 cartridges shot OK at the second attempt.) Is it sheer coincidence that I had all 4 misfires and he had none, or is there any way it was due to me (I'm also a very infrequent shotgun shooter)? Can't imagine it could be due to the user but intrigued enough to ask the question! Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenhunter Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 I am by no means an expert but it could indeed be user error. If the trigger is not released fully after your first shot before pulling again for the second might account for it. Basically, you're just too quick on the second bird! ; ) GH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humperdingle Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Was it always on the 2nd shot? If so, it may be to do with the trigger not resetting properly after the 1st shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 You say probably light strikes, meaning that you didn't physically check the indentation made on the primer? If you did and confirmed a light strike which subsequently worked when tried again then it is coincidence. Not a likely scenario though, as others have said much more likely user error, you're not letting go of the trigger properly and allowing it to reset for the 2nd shot, pretty common and worse when wearing gloves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codling99 Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 i bet your not closing gun hard enough,sometimes that causes light strikes.close gun firmly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Was it always on the 2nd shot? If so, it may be to do with the trigger not resetting properly after the 1st shot. a friend had the same trouble, he misfired or never fired, due to not letting the trigger release properly, when both my son and i tried it worked as it should Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumbrian shooter Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Could be that the gun wasnt held propperly and the recoil wasnt enough to cock the second hammer as a result of the gun not recoiling firmly against the shoulder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumbrian shooter Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Just a guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 My guess would have been the trigger release idea already mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humperdingle Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Could be that the gun wasnt held propperly and the recoil wasnt enough to cock the second hammer as a result of the gun not recoiling firmly against the shoulder! Can certainly happen... Especially when there is too much padding behind the recoil pad, or the gun just isn't held solidly enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumbrian shooter Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 similer thing happens in older guns shooting 21g clay loads, the recoil isnt enough to cock the second hammer! I had an early nikko that would only fire the first barrel with the above loads, i understand this isnt the case here but this sort of backs up what i said originaly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Could be that the gun wasnt held propperly and the recoil wasnt enough to cock the second hammer as a result of the gun not recoiling firmly against the shoulder! We have this with a 1980s 686 that's a club gun with 21g cartridges. Had so many complains 4 of us decided to try it fired 250 with no issues, one of the other turned up and every second shoot was miss fire. It was his stance worked fine most of the time with 28g but he got a bad bruise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canis Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 (edited) With regard to We have this with a 1980s 686 that's a club gun with 21g cartridges. Had so many complains 4 of us decided to try it fired 250 with no issues, one of the other turned up and every second shoot was miss fire. It was his stance worked fine most of the time with 28g but he got a bad bruise. Some inertia trigger guns will struggle with 21 g cartridges. Age of the gun is irrelevant . Remember that the mechanism relies on a slight jolt to reset the trigger. lighter recoil carts, recoil pads and the amount of padding on the firers shoulder can all contribute to this problem. To the OP's question if the misfire occurs on the first shot, is it possible that you had a dodgy box of cartridges ? Edited December 20, 2012 by Canis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenshooter Posted December 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 Thanks chaps. Sorry I'm not been back for a while due to Christmas travel! Strugggling now to remember, but at least one, if not most of the misfired shots were with the first barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenshooter Posted December 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 I'll get a bit more shooting over the holidays so will note carefully if it occurs with the first barrel. All points noted, thanks. Happy Christmas to you all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktattoo Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 my friend had to rtn a browning maxus as when he went for the second clay, it was as if somebody had applied the safety catch and the gun would not allow the trigger to be squeezed, he got is gun back the other day and the paperwork just stated repaired under warranty, so hopefully his gun will have been sorted. Don't know if this is relevent to the o/p comments but if it is similiar to mt friends then it might be worth getting it looked at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 Could be that the gun wasnt held propperly and the recoil wasnt enough to cock the second hammer as a result of the gun not recoiling firmly against the shoulder! ill go with this theory next time your out hold it as tight as you can to your shoulder and let the gun do the work on your shoulder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 (edited) I have used 21g cartridges it both my Berettas (inertia triggers) with no problems at all. What can make a difference is if the shooter is 'well padded'. I had a side by side double trigger gun that worked fine for me, but a friend who is 'well padded' found that the safety automatically re-applied itself when the first barrel was fired. This was with either 24g or 28g loads in a fairly light Spanish s/s and his thumb was nowhere near the safety on firing. It would do it with me if I deliberately held the gun slightly out of my shoulder. It does show that the recoil and the distance in which it is absorbed can be a factor. Edited December 23, 2012 by JohnfromUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 Some inertia trigger guns will struggle with 21 g cartridges. Age of the gun is irrelevant . Remember that the mechanism relies on a slight jolt to reset the trigger. lighter recoil carts, recoil pads and the amount of padding on the firers shoulder can all contribute to this problem. As suggested, this is almost certainly an inertia block resetting problem. Often caused by a loose mount which implies a stock too short for the user or they are not mounting firmly into the shoulder. There is a simple test. Fire the gun both barrels as usual. When the gun does not fire second chamber, leaving it closed and holding the gun safely with the finger away from the trigger, give the butt a sharp smack with your hand or back against a wall ( observing all safety needed). Try the trigger again. If it then fires what is happening is the inertia block is not resetting for second chamber. This is a common safety feature on many guns designed to prevent double discharge. but relies on a reflected shock wave from the first shot to "bounce" back from the shooters shoulder. Light loads, loose mounts ( often from short stocks), lack of lube in the action or dirt in there can all cause this. If this test proves its inertia blocks, a firm mount or carts with more recoil will cure the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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