Jaymo Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 Hi and firstly Happy Xmas A chance to get the grey matter working! Have SGC plus FAC and was recently offered a large metal gun cabinet which is made to look like a piece of furniture- chest of drawers actually in oak. Now this thing needs three people to manoeuvre it into place but as its meant to look like part of the furniture so as to speak, it is not practical to bolt it to the wall and due to floor loading cannot be place upstairs either. House is alarmed etc Have glanced through the Firearms act and it looks to be ok as its so bulky but what do you think? Could ask my LEO but its xmas and dont wish to bother the poor chap plus as its a dam expensive item I dont wish to purchase it in error to be left with a very secure cutlery draw. Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 A lot depends on your FO's views on "secure", it would be best to have a word with him. I do know someone who had a problem with bolting their cabinet to the wall and they bolted it into the floor (solid concrete), using wedge anchors, or sleeve anchors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 Why on earth can you not attach it to the wall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted December 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 Why on earth can you not attach it to the wall? Simply because of the design and shape of the thing, sits too proud of the wall due to the base/feet...... Take a look at all your furniture/ cabinets at home then notice how some of them are either offset or angled into a corner. Have to appease the good lady as I am ruining her lovely lounge with an unwanted piece of furniture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 Wants to use it as a breakfast bar lol. If 3 people can move it I would say it needs bolting to something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 if three folk can carry,one burglar could easily have it away on a sack barrow i swould have thought.its the fact that cabinets are anchored to something solid that makes them so secure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted December 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 Tried to cut and paste a reply to 'Apache' but seems it did not work. Right, reason that it cant be attached is the design of the base- more to the point the feet, it means that the profile of it that it cannot sit flush against the wall. For one person to carry it away on a sack cart would entail several things. 1 knowing it was even there as the thing looks like a bookcase/ chest of drawers 2 knowing I even keep firearms( I know, I could be followed home one day) 3 bypassing the alarm 4 bypassing our lovely caring neighbours ( best crime preventers ever) 5 our cctv system automatically email me a pic of any movement around the house 6 using a sack cart, cripes I hope it has solid wheels or you r going to be dragging the thing, also only way out is down the drive through an electric gate. But like I said, just gaining opinions and love all reply's wether positive or negative. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 My safe isn't anchored to the wall, but it weighs a lot, nearly 1000kg empty. The guidelines state that it should be this heavy to be free-standing. I have to use this safe as I'm in a rented new-build house that doesn't have any solid walls, as soon as I've moved I'll be using my old bolt-on safe again as there's more room in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED BEARD Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 My safe isn't anchored to the wall, but it weighs a lot, nearly 1000kg empty. The guidelines state that it should be this heavy to be free-standing. I have to use this safe as I'm in a rented new-build house that doesn't have any solid walls, as soon as I've moved I'll be using my old bolt-on safe again as there's more room in it. is it one you build up once its in the room? i'm assuming its bigger than the door or window opening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigG Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 if three folk can carry,one burglar could easily have it away on a sack barrow i swould have thought.its the fact that cabinets are anchored to something solid that makes them so secure. This is what my FEO said when I asked. I am in Hampshire if it helps? The one I was looking at sounds similar. FEO did check with his superiors after I challenged it. Still said no. Good luck G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 is it one you build up once its in the room? i'm assuming its bigger than the door or window opening? No, it fits through a doorway, or in this case through the garage door of the bungalow I'm renting. I moved it on a pallet truck and it can only move over a solid concrete floor as the weight will crack floorboards and ruin floor coverings. It's quite small inside, I have to break long shotguns to fit, the walls are thick and the door has bolts that push outwards into the body. The key is radial and 6" long. It doesn't have a separate compartment, so I store rifle bolts and ammunition in the top compartment of my old safe, the bottom ( large ) compartment of this is full of slabs of shotgun cartridges so it would be very difficult to move too. The FEO was happy with it, the fact my two Dobermans were giving him the evil eye might have helped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornet 6 Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 This has just come up on another forum, somebody with more time than me found something in the home office guidance about it, a gun cabinet needs to be securely bolted at 4 points using 10mm thick fasteners if it weighs less than 20cwt Found it. Firearms Act, 1968, Amendment Acts 1988 & 1997 The Firearms Rules, 1998 state “firearms or shot guns to which a certificate relates must be stored securely at all times so as to prevent, so far as is reasonably practicable, access to the guns by unauthorised persons.” For cabinets and safes under 20cwt Provision of at least 4 fixing holes to take not less than 10 mm diameter fastening devices. The holes to be spaced to provide maximum binding of cabinet to structure. Neil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted January 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Cheers guys for the Input..... Will stick with the cheaper option as I couldnt even find and 14 gun cabinets that weigh 2cwt. Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 You got timber or solid floor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted January 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 Upstairs and downstairs is normal 'modern construction' of beam and board. So would have to consult regarding the floor loading. Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 Whats normal? You have timber joists and chipboard flooring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted January 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 Indeed, high quality construction they use these days......... Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 My safe isn't anchored to the wall, but it weighs a lot, nearly 1000kg empty. The guidelines state that it should be this heavy to be free-standing. I have to use this safe as I'm in a rented new-build house that doesn't have any solid walls, as soon as I've moved I'll be using my old bolt-on safe again as there's more room in it. Good grief Catweasel how on earth did you get that in the house weighing a metric tonne. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 i would bolt it two the wall, a friend of mine in the usa had a 700lb gun safe.they went two his farm one xmas when they were away and took the lot safe and 22 guns, never two be seen again.that was 3 years ago, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danoi99 Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 Find a solution to the bolting problem............or just get a different safe that can be fixed to the fabric of the building !! Simples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 (edited) This has just come up on another forum, somebody with more time than me found something in the home office guidance about it, a gun cabinet needs to be securely bolted at 4 points using 10mm thick fasteners if it weighs less than 20cwt Found it. Neil. http://www.google.co...9,d.d2k&cad=rjayou seemed to have opened a can of worms, i think best bet is to ask you fao is views before you start drilling the walls, he might want you to he may not, reading home office bumf i think it will be down to weight movement and your fao,s discretion,, the link to the home office gun cabinet regulations is posted above.. quoted in this above link.. Any security device should be securely fixed to the fabric of the building was quoted by the home office in that link, it says nothing about bolts rawl plugs or anything else just says secured? ask your fao about this...i bet there are 20 different versions from fa depts throughout the uk so its beat me what you will have to do,,, it will be interesting to see weather it has to be bolted please post the outcomes...... Edited January 5, 2013 by delburt0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted January 5, 2013 Report Share Posted January 5, 2013 (edited) Good grief Catweasel how on earth did you get that in the house weighing a metric tonne. Figgy On a 2.5 ton pallet truck. Edited January 5, 2013 by Catweazle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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