washerboy Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 After reading that a guy who won a medal and rides a bike for a living has got one, should the new years honours list be knocked on the head... I really think so It should be full of people you never hear of, nurses, ex soldiers .fund raises..not famous people. Semi rant over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 I don't think t should be ended, but there's a guy on the list who has got a gong for "services to computer gaming". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garygreengrass Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 It should be full of people you never hear of, nurses, ex soldiers .fund raises..not famous people. :good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 No it shouldnt be ended, but the criteria should be changed. Years ago it reflected true achievement that bettered other peoples lives. It was a true honour and most of the recipients were fairly old. What you are seeing now is just a parody of the original idea of the honours system, It's part of a wider malaise that came in around 1997 when rubbish like 'cool brittania' was being pumped into peoples heads. A similar example is the dumbing down of the education system where very average people are walking around with their 10 A star GCSE's and believing that they have 'really achieved' when the reality is a toddler could pass half of the papers. Sir Winston Churchill, Yes. Sir Alexandra Fleming, Yes. Sir Edmund Hillary, Yes. Sir young sportsman or musical nonentity, No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 As mentioned, it should be given to real 'heroes' and people who volunteer their services for many years. For example, a lady I knew, worked for the WRVS for 38 years, giving up all her spare time. Now that's commitment! She was nominated for an OBE, but never got recognised. And what about the disabled sportspeople who worked far harder to get to the Olympic games? Making Wiggins a 'Sir' is, in my opinion, ridiculous. If anything, he could have got an OBE, if they felt the need to reward him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solz Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 (edited) It should be full of people you never hear of, nurses, ex soldiers .fund raises..not famous people. :good: Edited December 29, 2012 by solz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 (edited) Think it should be changed for those who truly deserve it. Wiggins and other medel winners got their reward when they stood on the podium in front of millions being given the gold. There are a few sports people who deserve it like Steve Redgrave five times Olympic Medel winner, a real achievement worked for over a long career. Figgy Edited December 29, 2012 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvid wings Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 The new years honours list is full of people you never hear of ,google the list and look . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 (edited) No it shouldnt be ended, but the criteria should be changed. Years ago it reflected true achievement that bettered other peoples lives. It was a true honour and most of the recipients were fairly old. What you are seeing now is just a parody of the original idea of the honours system, It's part of a wider malaise that came in around 1997 when rubbish like 'cool brittania' was being pumped into peoples heads. A similar example is the dumbing down of the education system where very average people are walking around with their 10 A star GCSE's and believing that they have 'really achieved' when the reality is a toddler could pass half of the papers. Sir Winston Churchill, Yes. Sir Alexandra Fleming, Yes. Sir Edmund Hillary, Yes. Sir young sportsman or musical nonentity, No. So why Sir Edmund and not Sir Wiggins,one got a knighthood for being the 1st to climb a mountain,the other for being a tremendous athlete,not just winning the tour de france but look at all his other achievements,a shed load of golds,world records,and other acheivments that no other british person has managed.And is also the most decorated olympian we have(along with Sir Chris)so why, as someone has posted should Sir Steve get one ,but not Sir Bradley. Major achievements Sources:[45][166] [edit]Olympic Games 2000 Summer Olympics Bronze, team pursuit 2004 Summer Olympics Gold, 4km individual pursuit Silver, team pursuit Bronze, madison 2008 Summer Olympics Gold, 4km individual pursuit Gold, team pursuit 2012 Summer Olympics Gold, road time trial [edit]World Championships 1997 UCI Junior Track Cycling World Championships Gold, 2km individual pursuit 2000 UCI Track Cycling World Championships Silver, team pursuit 2001 UCI Track Cycling World Championships Silver, team pursuit 2002 UCI Track Cycling World Championships Bronze, team pursuit 2003 UCI Track Cycling World Championships Gold, 4km individual pursuit Silver, team pursuit 2007 UCI Track Cycling World Championships Gold, 4km individual pursuit Gold, team pursuit 2008 UCI Track Cycling World Championships Gold, 4km individual pursuit Gold, Team pursuit (world record time) Gold, madison (with Mark Cavendish) 2011 UCI Road World Championships Silver, individual time trial [edit]Commonwealth Games 2002 Commonwealth Games Silver, 4km individual pursuit Silver, team pursuit 1998 Commonwealth Games Silver, team pursuit [edit]Road and track cycling – major achievements 2001 1st Overall Cinturón a Mallorca 1st Overall Flèche du Sud 2003 1st Stage 1 ITT Tour de l'Avenir 1st Six Days of Ghent (with Matt Gilmore) 2005 1st Stage 2 ITT Circuit de Lorraine 1st Stage 8 Tour de l'Avenir 2007 1st Prologue Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré 1st Stage 1 ITT Four Days of Dunkirk 1st Stage 4 ITT Tour du Poitou-Charentes 1st Duo Normand (with Michael Elijzen) Combativity award Stage 6, Tour de France 2009 1st British National Time Trial Championships 1st Overall Herald Sun Tour 1st Stage 5 ITT 1st Stage 1 TTT Tour of Qatar 1st Stage 3b ITT Three Days of De Panne 1st Beaumont Trophy 3rd Overall Tour de France 2010 1st British National Time Trial Championships 1st Stage 1 TTT Tour of Qatar 1st Stage 1 ITT Giro d'Italia Held Maglia Rosa for Stage 1 2011 1st British National Road Race Championships 1st Overall Critérium du Dauphiné 1st Stage 4 Bayern-Rundfahrt 1st Beaumont Trophy 2nd UCI Road World Championship Time Trial 3rd Overall Paris–Nice 3rd Overall Vuelta a España Held Red Jersey from Stage 11–15 2012 1st Overall Tour de France 1st Stage 9 ITT & 19 ITT 1st Overall Paris–Nice 1st Points classification 1st Stage 8 ITT 1st Overall Tour de Romandie 1st Stage 1 & 5 ITT 1st Overall Critérium du Dauphiné 1st Stage 4 ITT 3rd Overall Volta ao Algarve 1st Stage 5 ITT [edit]Grand Tour general classification results timeline Grand Tour 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 Giro d'Italia 123 — — 134 71 40 — — Tour de France — 124 WD — 3 23 WD 1 Vuelta a España — — — — — — 3 — WD = Withdrew — = Did not compete [edit]World records and other achievements [edit]World records 4000m Team Pursuit, 3:56.322, (as part of the Great Britain team), Manchester, England, 2008[50] 4000m Team Pursuit, 3:55:202, (as part of the Great Britain team), Beijing, China, 2008[169] 4000m Team Pursuit, 3:53:314, (as part of the Great Britain team), Beijing, China, 2008[56] [edit]Achievements First ever British Winner of the Tour de France.[5] Only cyclist to win the Paris–Nice, Tour de Romandie, Critérium du Dauphiné and Tour de France in the same year — achieved this feat in 2012.[138] Only cyclist to have the Tour de France and an Olympic gold medal in the same year — achieved this feat in 2012.[142] Great Britain's joint most decorated Olympian along with Sir Chris Hoy with seven medals, surpassing Sir Steve Redgrave's six medals.[141] [edit]Awards Edited December 29, 2012 by welsh1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 So why Sir Edmund and not Sir Wiggins,one got a knighthood for being the 1st to climb a mountain,the other for being a tremendous athlete,not just winning the tour de france but look at all his other achievements,a shed load of golds,world records,and other acheivments that no other british person has managed.And is also the most decorated olympian we have(along with Sir Chris)so why, as someone has posted should Sir Steve get one ,but not Sir Bradley. Major achievements Sources:[45][166] [edit]Olympic Games 2000 Summer Olympics Bronze, team pursuit 2004 Summer Olympics Gold, 4km individual pursuit Silver, team pursuit Bronze, madison 2008 Summer Olympics Gold, 4km individual pursuit Gold, team pursuit 2012 Summer Olympics Gold, road time trial [edit]World Championships 1997 UCI Junior Track Cycling World Championships Gold, 2km individual pursuit 2000 UCI Track Cycling World Championships Silver, team pursuit 2001 UCI Track Cycling World Championships Silver, team pursuit 2002 UCI Track Cycling World Championships Bronze, team pursuit 2003 UCI Track Cycling World Championships Gold, 4km individual pursuit Silver, team pursuit 2007 UCI Track Cycling World Championships Gold, 4km individual pursuit Gold, team pursuit 2008 UCI Track Cycling World Championships Gold, 4km individual pursuit Gold, Team pursuit (world record time) Gold, madison (with Mark Cavendish) 2011 UCI Road World Championships Silver, individual time trial [edit]Commonwealth Games 2002 Commonwealth Games Silver, 4km individual pursuit Silver, team pursuit 1998 Commonwealth Games Silver, team pursuit [edit]Road and track cycling – major achievements 2001 1st Overall Cinturón a Mallorca 1st Overall Flèche du Sud 2003 1st Stage 1 ITT Tour de l'Avenir 1st Six Days of Ghent (with Matt Gilmore) 2005 1st Stage 2 ITT Circuit de Lorraine 1st Stage 8 Tour de l'Avenir 2007 1st Prologue Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré 1st Stage 1 ITT Four Days of Dunkirk 1st Stage 4 ITT Tour du Poitou-Charentes 1st Duo Normand (with Michael Elijzen) Combativity award Stage 6, Tour de France 2009 1st British National Time Trial Championships 1st Overall Herald Sun Tour 1st Stage 5 ITT 1st Stage 1 TTT Tour of Qatar 1st Stage 3b ITT Three Days of De Panne 1st Beaumont Trophy 3rd Overall Tour de France 2010 1st British National Time Trial Championships 1st Stage 1 TTT Tour of Qatar 1st Stage 1 ITT Giro d'Italia Held Maglia Rosa for Stage 1 2011 1st British National Road Race Championships 1st Overall Critérium du Dauphiné 1st Stage 4 Bayern-Rundfahrt 1st Beaumont Trophy 2nd UCI Road World Championship Time Trial 3rd Overall Paris–Nice 3rd Overall Vuelta a España Held Red Jersey from Stage 11–15 2012 1st Overall Tour de France 1st Stage 9 ITT & 19 ITT 1st Overall Paris–Nice 1st Points classification 1st Stage 8 ITT 1st Overall Tour de Romandie 1st Stage 1 & 5 ITT 1st Overall Critérium du Dauphiné 1st Stage 4 ITT 3rd Overall Volta ao Algarve 1st Stage 5 ITT [edit]Grand Tour general classification results timeline Grand Tour 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 Giro d'Italia 123 — — 134 71 40 — — Tour de France — 124 WD — 3 23 WD 1 Vuelta a España — — — — — — 3 — WD = Withdrew — = Did not compete [edit]World records and other achievements [edit]World records 4000m Team Pursuit, 3:56.322, (as part of the Great Britain team), Manchester, England, 2008[50] 4000m Team Pursuit, 3:55:202, (as part of the Great Britain team), Beijing, China, 2008[169] 4000m Team Pursuit, 3:53:314, (as part of the Great Britain team), Beijing, China, 2008[56] [edit]Achievements First ever British Winner of the Tour de France.[5] Only cyclist to win the Paris–Nice, Tour de Romandie, Critérium du Dauphiné and Tour de France in the same year — achieved this feat in 2012.[138] Only cyclist to have the Tour de France and an Olympic gold medal in the same year — achieved this feat in 2012.[142] Great Britain's joint most decorated Olympian along with Sir Chris Hoy with seven medals, surpassing Sir Steve Redgrave's six medals.[141] [edit]Awards Oh Dear!!! There is always one that cant get the gist of the post. By the way it wasn't just for climbing a mountain, it was a mountain considered impossible and many DIED trying to climb it and he too could easily have died. Do you get it now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 Oh Dear!!! There is always one that cant get the gist of the post. By the way it wasn't just for climbing a mountain, it was a mountain considered impossible and many DIED trying to climb it and he too could easily have died. Do you get it now? I don't think you get it,the honours list is there to "honour"people who have done something extraordinary and beyond what most people would do.Sir Edmund did an amazing thing i do not dispute that,but Sir Bradley has also achieved amazing things,no doubt you will not get it as you do not recognise the sacrifice to achieve a goal,on both Sir Edmund and Sir Bradley's lives. The first line says it all, A knighthood is an honor for work well done.It is a reward in itself as no money or powers are attached.Here is an explanation fromhttp://www.royal.gov...ge4877.… "A knighthood (or a damehood, its female equivalent) is one of the highest honours an individual in the United Kingdom can achieve. While in past centuries knighthood used to be awarded solely for military merit, today it recognises significant contributions to national life. Recipients today range from actors to scientists, and from school head teachers to industrialists. A knighthood cannot be bought and it carries no military obligations to the Sovereign. The Queen (or a member of the Royal Family acting on her behalf) confers knighthood in Britain, either at a public Investiture or privately. The ceremony involves the ceremonial dubbing of the knight by The Queen, and the presentation of insignia. By tradition, clergy receiving a knighthood are not dubbed, as the use of a sword is thought inappropriate for their calling. Foreign citizens occasionally receive honorary knighthoods; they are not dubbed, and they do not use the style 'Sir'. Such knighthoods are conferred by The Queen, on the advice of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, on those who have made an important contribution to relations between their country and Britain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jega Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 I really cant see the harm in these awards as I will decide who i address as Sir ,Lady etc . If I dont consider them worthy of the respect that the given title deserves then i will address them as a non titled/honoured person .As i say it will be MY choice not some jumped up whitehall dogsbody. Likewise if i meet a person deserving of my respect i have no problem whatsoever in addressing them as Sir ,regardless of wether they have or havent been given an official title/award. All about personal standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 This get trotted out every year, those who have served etc do get recognised they just don't make the headlines. And welsh1 is right Wiggins deserves it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 (edited) I really cant see the harm in these awards as I will decide who i address as Sir ,Lady etc . If I dont consider them worthy of the respect that the given title deserves then i will address them as a non titled/honoured person .As i say it will be MY choice not some jumped up whitehall dogsbody. Likewise if i meet a person deserving of my respect i have no problem whatsoever in addressing them as Sir ,regardless of wether they have or havent been given an official title/award. All about personal standards. Pity LORD Sugar wouldnt agree, everyone has to address him as Lord Sugar... Im afraid I too cannot see why winning a gold medal gets you a knighthood, Any gold not just cycling It still smells of cronyism, Danny Boyle has refused any honour in the honours list this year, fair play, Sorry but I just dont get it, Oh and I see Cherie Blair gets a CBE for her charity work? Edited December 29, 2012 by shaun4860 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 I don't think you get it,the honours list is there to "honour"people who have done something extraordinary and beyond what most people would do.Sir Edmund did an amazing thing i do not dispute that,but Sir Bradley has also achieved amazing things,no doubt you will not get it as you do not recognise the sacrifice to achieve a goal,on both Sir Edmund and Sir Bradley's lives. The first line says it all, A knighthood is an honor for work well done.It is a reward in itself as no money or powers are attached.Here is an explanation fromhttp://www.royal.gov...ge4877.… "A knighthood (or a damehood, its female equivalent) is one of the highest honours an individual in the United Kingdom can achieve. While in past centuries knighthood used to be awarded solely for military merit, today it recognises significant contributions to national life. Recipients today range from actors to scientists, and from school head teachers to industrialists. A knighthood cannot be bought and it carries no military obligations to the Sovereign. The Queen (or a member of the Royal Family acting on her behalf) confers knighthood in Britain, either at a public Investiture or privately. The ceremony involves the ceremonial dubbing of the knight by The Queen, and the presentation of insignia. By tradition, clergy receiving a knighthood are not dubbed, as the use of a sword is thought inappropriate for their calling. Foreign citizens occasionally receive honorary knighthoods; they are not dubbed, and they do not use the style 'Sir'. Such knighthoods are conferred by The Queen, on the advice of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, on those who have made an important contribution to relations between their country and Britain. o.k we will beg to differ, but please explain why this phenomenon has only been in recent years (since 1997 when the world begun) i mean why isnt eric bristow sir, why isnt frank bruno sir, why isnt nigel mansell sir , why isnt Alan wells sir, and i could go on all day!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 o.k we will beg to differ, but please explain why this phenomenon has only been in recent years (since 1997 when the world begun) i mean why isnt eric bristow sir, why isnt frank bruno sir, why isnt nigel mansell sir , why isnt Alan wells sir, and i could go on all day!! Blair started it with his cool Brittania thing, trying to be hip and trendy toadying up to the "In people" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 the man who sweeps the streets deserves it more than these hasbeens! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 Blair started it with his cool Brittania thing, trying to be hip and trendy toadying up to the "In people" Nail on the head. Thankyou and happy new year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonk69 Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 After reading that a guy who won a medal and rides a bike for a living has got one, should the new years honours list be knocked on the head... I really think so It should be full of people you never hear of, nurses, ex soldiers .fund raises..not famous people. Semi rant over. does some one need a cuddle? why dont we ban everything??? plus i think wiggins wasnt famous untill he put in years and years of hard work and going without, cheers matt Quote MultiQuote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 the man who sweeps the streets deserves it more than these hasbeens! An honerable profession but to get up in the morning and sweep the streets does not require the same levels of dedication and hard work that it takes to win the Tour De France. Maybe it's because your getting old and don't like the thought of these youngsters getting knighted that's bothering you. Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 An honerable profession but to get up in the morning and sweep the streets does not require the same levels of dedication and hard work that it takes to win the Tour De France. Maybe it's because your getting old and don't like the thought of these youngsters getting knighted that's bothering you. Harry It does if the same guy has done it all his working life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 So you think everyone who works should get knighted when they retire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 They should keep it but be selective it seems as all you have to do is be on the tv nowadays, this will spark a few Alex Furguson shouldn't be one in my eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 (edited) So you think everyone who works should get knighted when they retire? No of course not, you said it didnt require the same dedication, I said if the guy has got up to start work at 7:30 to sweep streets all his life, it requires dedication. As I said earlier Blair dumbed the whole honours system down trying to be cool Digweed/Taylor, multiple world champions will never be knighted because its not cool to be a multiple world champion in shooting or darts, yet I would say both require enormous amounts of dedication to continue at the top for so many years. As an addage, Mansell/Hill/Hamilton/Button all became world champions, all required skill dedication and lots of hard work....none of them knighted because its not cool, along with Adrian Newey (designed many many title winning race cars), no mention of him, still requires skill and dedication, the list goes on and on but they are not cool..... Olympians are seen to be cool Edited December 29, 2012 by shaun4860 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul T Posted December 29, 2012 Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 (edited) No of course not, you said it didnt require the same dedication, I said if the guy has got up to start work at 7:30 to sweep streets all his life, it requires dedication. As I said earlier Blair dumbed the whole honours system down trying to be cool Digweed/Taylor, multiple world champions will never be knighted because its not cool to be a multiple world champion in shooting or darts, yet I would say both require enormous amounts of dedication to continue at the top for so many years. As an addage, Mansell/Hill/Hamilton/Button all became world champions, all required skill dedication and lots of hard work....none of them knighted because its not cool, along with Adrian Newey (designed many many title winning race cars), no mention of him, still requires skill and dedication, the list goes on and on but they are not cool..... Olympians are seen to be cool Adrian Newey got an OBE in last year's list I think??? Ross Brawn got one in 2010??? Edited to add: Damon Hill OBE Nigel Mansell CBE Not knighted but still recognised... Edited December 29, 2012 by Paul T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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