I bet many of you are enjoying the "Iron Lady" on ITV?

[Clayduster]

And while the proles fight it out online for fading hero's and villains, the global thieves in their coffee shops and warehouses rape the country by hiding their profits from the revenue, paying their employees less than a living wage that has to be bolstered with benifits paid for by the taxes of the proles until nothing remained.

 

Thatcher removed the working classes from the money-go-round to create ghettos of the underclass formed from the corpse of industrial Britain without any thought for people when she was crushed by a tax too far, Then came globalisation and de-regulation to enslave people in poorly paid jobs while taking vast wealth from the country, nobody listened to the anti-globalisation nutters.

 

The next phase was to set the population against one another while the thieves set themselves up in palatial spleandour and watch from a distance as the gladiators entertain them. The past is the past if you don't learn from it there is no future.

[keg]

Agree Una, this was the downside of the union power. Lots of South Yorks espc around Cortonwood has had billions thrown at it. Please do not take this personally KDR but there is still a"poor old us" mentality there, even now.

 

I remember a Jamie Oliver programme about school dinners in the area. The phrase from one of the mums was " this is Barnsley- we don't do flexibility".

 

My cousin is now a painter and will not go further than a ten mile radius for work.......

 

And while the proles fight it out online for fading hero's and villains, the global thieves in their coffee shops and warehouses rape the country by hiding their profits from the revenue, paying their employees less than a living wage that has to be bolstered with benifits paid for by the taxes of the proles until nothing remained.

 

Thatcher removed the working classes from the money-go-round to create ghettos of the underclass formed from the corpse of industrial Britain without any thought for people when she was crushed by a tax too far, Then came globalisation and de-regulation to enslave people in poorly paid jobs while taking vast wealth from the country, nobody listened to the anti-globalisation nutters.

 

The next phase was to set the population against one another while the thieves set themselves up in palatial spleandour and watch from a distance as the gladiators entertain them. The past is the past if you don't learn from it there is no future.

 

What??.

 

Poll tax was very fair. Based on usage, simples.

[Clayduster]

 

What??.

 

Poll tax was very fair. Based on usage, simples.

 

LOL First time i've seen fairness lead to a riot.

[shaun4860]

Agree Una, this was the downside of the union power. Lots of South Yorks espc around Cortonwood has had billions thrown at it. Please do not take this personally KDR but there is still a"poor old us" mentality there, even now.

 

I remember a Jamie Oliver programme about school dinners in the area. The phrase from one of the mums was " this is Barnsley- we don't do flexibility".

 

My cousin is now a painter and will not go further than a ten mile radius for work.......

 

 

 

What??.

 

Poll tax was very fair. Based on usage, simples.

 

even I didnt think that was fair

 

That in my opinion was her downfall, it wasnt a fair tax at all

 

[bobt]

I was at barnsley college, one of the other lads was a joiner in the pit, (not many roofs needed) he took home in a week more than I did in a month,

used to tell of turning up for a shift, and going home after 30 mins due to a breakdown, being paid a full shift, then going back 2 hours later to be paid a second shift.

[keg]

Another cousin was a rope mender ( i think it was called that) and had a very smart car at an early age. Don't get me wrong they all did dangerous and dirty jobs but as pointed out, were well paid for it.

[bullet1747]

I was at barnsley college, one of the other lads was a joiner in the pit, (not many roofs needed) he took home in a week more than I did in a month,

used to tell of turning up for a shift, and going home after 30 mins due to a breakdown, being paid a full shift, then going back 2 hours later to be paid a second shift.

Ripped the government off for years,

[AVB]

even I didnt think that was fair

 

That in my opinion was her downfall, it wasnt a fair tax at all

 

 

Was it any less fair than basing it on the perceived value of a house regardless of how man people lived ini it? imo a household with four wage earners in it should pay more than one with one OAP in it.

[Gimlet]

So you were a teacher in those days

No, I was at school. The state of the country dominated every adult conversation, it was impossible for kids to remain unaware of what was going on. I even remember a teacher tearing up his union card in class in disgust at the depths things had sunk to.

 

I brought that up because you were going on about Thatcher selling everything off,

 

I was pointing out that Labour did the same.

 

And New Labour presided over the sale of privatised utiities to foriegn buyers. Much of Britain's electricity generation, including hideous, useless and horrendously expensive wind farms, is now owned by the French state.

 

I have never been a labour supporter in my life and the trade unions had far too much power. but she was an evil monster of a women who killed many people in one way or another.

She is not an evil monster she is a conviction politician who placed pragmatism above popularity. She never had a hateful bone in her body, just political backbone which is no the same thing at all. There are precious few like that among the simpering fawning bunch of lightweights we have today. Even Tony Benn has expressed begrudging respect for her integrity.

There was an item on TV a few weeks ago about an account by household staff decribing what Mrs T was like to work for. She and her family were staying at Chequers one Christmas and a security guard was billeted in a converted stable block for the duration of the festive period to provide protection. Apparently the Prime Minister was apalled that this man would be away from his family and alone over Christmas and so on Christmas eve she herself put up decorations and a tree in his quarters, and left a few presents, a card and a plate of mince pies and a small bottle of whisky. This maternal fussing and concern for people around her was by all accounts typical. It was said the guard was a life-long Labour man but ended up voting for Mrs T.

I wonder if Cherie Blair ever did that?

[keg]

even I didnt think that was fair

 

That in my opinion was her downfall, it wasnt a fair tax at all

 

 

It was very fair. 6 people in a house make use of more services than one so pay 6 times as much, how simple does it need to be.

 

How can it be fair that a Pensioner paid more than a family. Council Tax work on the value of your house, Poll tax worked on usage and allowed for the fact that a pensioner may have lived in a house for a number of years, paid a small amount for it but the house is now worth a fortune. I can't see any unfairness in that. If you were on benefits it was paid for you.

 

Just another excuse for the rent a mob to riot.

 

Cherie Blair is the worst Champagne Socialist..

[shaun4860]

Was it any less fair than basing it on the perceived value of a house regardless of how man people lived ini it? imo a household with four wage earners in it should pay more than one with one OAP in it.

It was very fair. 6 people in a house make use of more services than one so pay 6 times as much, how simple does it need to be.

 

How can it be fair that a Pensioner paid more than a family. Council Tax work on the value of your house, Poll tax worked on usage and allowed for the fact that a pensioner may have lived in a house for a number of years, paid a small amount for it but the house is now worth a fortune. I can't see any unfairness in that. If you were on benefits it was paid for you.

 

Just another excuse for the rent a mob to riot.

 

Cherie Blair is the worst Champagne Socialist..

 

IMO the system we now have in is the way it should have always been,

 

Poll tax hammered everyone regardless of the house, yes I may be thinking selfishly here but Im allowed too,

 

I was living at home with my mother when it came in,

 

2 bed flat for which she paid rates, the value which was set by the council, lets say for arguements sake and to keep it simple at £100 per year,

 

At the swipe of a pen the council were now getting £200 per year, did we get anything extra for our extra £100, no, it was pure and simply a money making exercise, if my 2 sisters were still living at home they would have got £400 per year

 

As i said this was a 2 bed flat (yes if my sisters were living at home we would still have been in a 3 bed house but the principles the same)

 

now old mrs grimes down the road living in the family home on her own now, lets say 4 bed detached, nice gardens, garage, better area, paying lets say £200 per month under the old rateable value, will be paying less.

 

now under the present system, I now live in my house (band A) pay lets say £50 per year (please remember the figures are for ease of understanding) is it right that old mrs grimes (4 bed detached, garage, nicer area) should pay the same as me?

 

Not in my opinion, hers will be graded higher and therefore should pay more.

 

also remember most houses have never been regraded, (my sister paid £78k for hers and is now worth approx £195k) yet she isnt paying what should be one of the highest bandings, she is still paying the £78k band

 

And before its mentioned that my house will also have gone up in value, it STILL hasnt reached band B....(rough nasty area but I like it )

 

*please note for the Southeners amongst us that houses up north are cheaper and comparisons shouldnt be drawn against your palatial mansions

 

This of course is just my opinion, one that I wont be swayed from no matter how hard you try ^_^

 

[castletyne]

It was very fair. 6 people in a house make use of more services than one so pay 6 times as much, how simple does it need to be.

 

How can it be fair that a Pensioner paid more than a family. Council Tax work on the value of your house, Poll tax worked on usage and allowed for the fact that a pensioner may have lived in a house for a number of years, paid a small amount for it but the house is now worth a fortune. I can't see any unfairness in that. If you were on benefits it was paid for you.

 

Just another excuse for the rent a mob to riot.

 

Cherie Blair is the worst Champagne Socialist..

 

I think more people found it to be unfair i think i was 18 and over night i had to pay about £400 when i was on a YTS earning £50 per week

 

What extra services do 6 people living in one house use

Edited January 8, 2013 by castletyne

[bobt]

I think more people found it to be unfair i think i was 18 and over night i had to pay about £400 when i was on a YTS earning £50 per week

 

What extra services do 6 people living in one house use

 

extra police, extra bins, extra everything really.

[castletyne]

extra police, extra bins, extra everything really.

 

A bit more rubbish is about it

 

How does it take extra police??

Edited January 8, 2013 by castletyne

[shaun4860]

extra police, extra bins, extra everything really.

 

bob,

 

extra bins maybe, (you trying asking for an extra bin)

police?, not in a million years was it used to pay for police

 

when I was at home with my mother we didnt need extra rubbish collection/police/everything really, we were mugged by Maggie (and I'm a fan of Maggie)

 

[gonk69]

i actually foung old maggie to be quite a horny iron lady, think im attracted to the powerfull dominant type, matt

[Thunderbird]

i actually foung old maggie to be quite a horny iron lady, think im attracted to the powerfull dominant type, matt

 

Wasn't it Alan Clark that was always going on about her legs in his diary?

[amateur]

I thought that the saddest element of the film was the constant referral to her alleged current state of mental health.

 

Would a film about Harold Wilson have majored on his dementia (in the latter stages of his time in office and upon retirement)?

[tandytommo]

Not one person in all the 120 odd posts has mentioned council house tenants getting the 'right to buy'. I can hear the cynics say, "oh but that was just for votes".

 

Well maybe that was in the thinking of the policy and why shouldnt it be, because as i see it, it was a positive way of encouraging tory votes, you got your house that you had paid rent on for years with a nice discount, the government got readies and less liability and council neighbourhoods improved because people had a stake in where they lived.

 

Far better than flooding the country with 4 million unneeded or deliberately creating an underclass for your voting stock.

 

 

 

Thatcher politics were real, and thought out for the betterment of most in society, not an elite few, as so many like to imagine.

yep sold off public assets for peanuts now we have major social housing shortages (let me guess your going to say that's all down to immigration!!!!) . the voting stock comment is rediculous & don't get too upset when France,Spain. Portugal etc send back the destitute ex pats & blue rinse brigade ( in France, Spain,Portugal etc who've left this country live in little closed little communities yet want all the advantages of holding a British passport and being in the EU). Can't have it both ways I'm affraid

[-Mongrel-]

I did. And Im damn glad my taxes didnt bolster failing industries, provide subs for dinosaur unions or further the ridiculous belief that there is a job for life just because your dad did it.

 

+1 To all points including 'I did'.

[ME]

I am amazed that there is still so much institutionalised Maggie hating going on.

 

The selling off of council houses meant that many folk could get onto the housing ladder. (who otherwise would not be able to) It wasn't the selling off of the family jewels, but a much needed leg up to many families and it changed the face of many rough estates immediately. It also showed a good example to their children - owning your own home, respecting other people and taking pride in where you live should be encouraged.

 

We live in a big commuter belt (fast trains to London), we have Ford HQ, BT and many other large businesses nearby. This means that ex-council houses are sought after commodity. For all you chaps north of Watford check this mid terrace ex-council corker out - http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-39112031.html?premiumA=true

 

Much of the industry that fell by the wayside would have gone with or without Maggie. Imagine British Leyland / Austin releasing the new 2013 Allegro Mk10 / Maxi Mk12 now. Why should the taxpayer prop up failing, non competitive businesses?

 

There aren't many of the dinosaur "union man" institutions left nowadays. I have a mate that works at BT and he was up in arms that his van was having a tracker fitted a year or two ago. "How dare they want to know where I am!" he proclaimed. He could see that his midday finishes were coming to an end!

[AVB]

 

 

 

IMO the system we now have in is the way it should have always been,

 

Poll tax hammered everyone regardless of the house, yes I may be thinking selfishly here but Im allowed too,

 

I was living at home with my mother when it came in,

 

2 bed flat for which she paid rates, the value which was set by the council, lets say for arguements sake and to keep it simple at £100 per year,

 

At the swipe of a pen the council were now getting £200 per year, did we get anything extra for our extra £100, no, it was pure and simply a money making exercise, if my 2 sisters were still living at home they would have got £400 per year

 

As i said this was a 2 bed flat (yes if my sisters were living at home we would still have been in a 3 bed house but the principles the same)

 

now old mrs grimes down the road living in the family home on her own now, lets say 4 bed detached, nice gardens, garage, better area, paying lets say £200 per month under the old rateable value, will be paying less.

 

now under the present system, I now live in my house (band A) pay lets say £50 per year (please remember the figures are for ease of understanding) is it right that old mrs grimes (4 bed detached, garage, nicer area) should pay the same as me?

 

Not in my opinion, hers will be graded higher and therefore should pay more.

 

also remember most houses have never been regraded, (my sister paid £78k for hers and is now worth approx £195k) yet she isnt paying what should be one of the highest bandings, she is still paying the £78k band

 

And before its mentioned that my house will also have gone up in value, it STILL hasnt reached band B....(rough nasty area but I like it )

 

*please note for the Southeners amongst us that houses up north are cheaper and comparisons shouldnt be drawn against your palatial mansions

 

This of course is just my opinion, one that I wont be swayed from no matter how hard you try ^_^

 

 

I still don't see why the size of your house should dictate the amount you pay. A house in itself consumes no services. It's the people in it that do. Ergo more people should pay more money. I can undertand people arguing that some people earn more than others but that still has nothing to do with size or value of house.

[keg]

That's my view AVB.

 

Maggie bashing has always been a popular sport yet as i have said before, no govt since has changed any of her laws...

[four-wheel-drive]

That's my view AVB.

 

Maggie bashing has always been a popular sport yet as i have said before, no govt since has changed any of her laws...

 

I am with you there from what I have seen of most people on here there minds are fixed be it good or bad its no good trying to change there minds as I see it in life there is both good and bad in almost everything and it is only a fool who cannot see that.

[shaun4860]

 

 

I still don't see why the size of your house should dictate the amount you pay. A house in itself consumes no services. It's the people in it that do. Ergo more people should pay more money. I can undertand people arguing that some people earn more than others but that still has nothing to do with size or value of house.

So you don't think that people that live in "nicer" areas don't get better services?

 

I live in an ex mining village, some posh estates have sprung up on the outskirts/better areas.

 

Come winter those areas get better gritting/road clearing services, town 5 miles diwn the road (affluent area) get their footpaths in the town gritted, we are lucky if the roads do.

 

Santa goes round these areas ( rotary club) never comes round here,

 

Election time, nobody knocks on our doors (it's a given we are supposed to vote labour) yet other candidates will go and knock on their doors.

 

Grass cutting is far more prevalent in their areas than ours, same goes for street lighting repairs/graffiti removal/litter picking/police responses.

 

These are facts, not whinging for whinging sake

 

I've said before that I'm a Maggie fan, but the poll tax was unfair

 

So please don't try to tell me that people who live on these "nicer parts of town" shouldn't pay more, they get more for their money

 

By the way all of the above come under the same council so should get all the same services but we don't.

 

Rant over