unapalomablanca Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 I read with interest today that a new 11 plus is being implemented this autumn to stop the above. Its going back to a pure aptitude test with 2 papers sat on the same day, and will put the coaching industry out of business. If you like, it's going back to what it used to be, to help bright people go to a higher level. I say a good idea, what about the forum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 It is a good idea and its fair; after all, you can train a parrot to talk, but does that make it intelligent? They should do an English and Maths test with an IQ test thrown in. They have clocked that bright and gifted kids are not getting a look in over the coached kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Albert Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 Some of the kids I used to teach would have made the parrot look intelligent! Good idea though and hopefully the brighter kids will shine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 It is a good idea and its fair; after all, you can train a parrot to talk, but does that make it intelligent? They should do an English and Maths test with an IQ test thrown in. They have clocked that bright and gifted kids are not getting a look in over the coached kids. In my day it was maths English and "verbal reasoning" all sat on same day in a big hall...... I guess that's progress........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 (edited) ... Edited January 12, 2013 by henry d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 In my day it was maths English and "verbal reasoning" all sat on same day in a big hall...... I guess that's progress........... Mine too On a Saturday In January Joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted January 12, 2013 Report Share Posted January 12, 2013 ... Good point that blows all other posts out of the water in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Why on earth do they decide to scrap something like they did with the 11+ God knows how many years ago, because they thought it was awaste of time. Then decades later some bright spark who was obviously born way after, decides that it may be a good idea to have an exam for pre senior school and call it the "11+" Oh! so clever people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 (edited) Over the years I've done all sorts of psychometric, IQ, employment etc etc testing and the only one I came across that I didn't think could be coached was WAIS. This has to be administered one on one by a qualified psychologist and even then overall result is a fairly poor indicator of academic and employment ability. A lot of focus is required on individual section results is needed. It also wouldn't be appropriate for an 11+ scenario. I think teacher guided streaming in comprehensive schools is perfectly suitable. Worked fine for me and there isn't much I wouldnt change about where I am as a result. Edited January 13, 2013 by guest1957 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Why on earth do they decide to scrap something like they did with the 11+ God knows how many years ago, because they thought it was awaste of time. Then decades later some bright spark who was obviously born way after, decides that it may be a good idea to have an exam for pre senior school and call it the "11+" Oh! so clever people Think its a government thing, labour not keen on selective schools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Down to those in the seat of authority...... The last to take 11+ now run the show...... Wait 30 years it will be round again.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 I dont like the education and employment situation we have in this country from start to finish its all completely meaningless. I remember trying to do GCSE exams on topics we were never tought about and on the other hand my partner is a learning disability nurse who works in a place where all the higher up people have got the jobs by having degrees but dont know anything about the job and are suspended, demoted and moved about to other units whereas the actual people who do all the work and actually run the place will never get anywhere because they dont have a degree. I would much prefer to just take people as they come and judge them on how they are and what they do not some silly peice of paper that they might of winged it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 I would much prefer to just take people as they come and judge them on how they are and what they do not some silly peice of paper that they might of winged it. No one got a first class honours degree winging it........ A 3rd maybe...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 In my day it was maths English and "verbal reasoning" all sat on same day in a big hall...... I guess that's progress........... Still like that in Hertfordshire. Well, just Maths and verbal reasoning. The english comprehension is also done by the independent schools. I don't see how you can make coaching irrelevant though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinggun Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 (edited) Not another load of exams for me to set up the desks and chairs for at work, seems never ending most of the year already haha Edited January 13, 2013 by smokinggun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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