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Its only a challenge because you are trying to make it do something that it won't do naturally.

 

Unless you have your own ground here I can't think of anywhere you can work partridges with pointers thats probably my main issue, because most places drive them they will only hold for a very short time at the start of the season till they have been walked up a couple of times. It will be a challenge for you and I hope you make a hide dog out of it

 

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Just because a dog is bred for a perticular job dosen't mean it cant do other work and not enjoy it.

Just look at Labs and Springers used as Drug dogs and yes they do enjoy it.

My Pointer is happy to sit in the hide with me now that he knows what i want of him, he is just happy to be out with his master.

Also even though he is a pointer by name this dose not mean he's a one trick pony, he is a HPR and loves to do all three, he loved this years beating even though i had to use the whistle A LOT to keep him in check and work close he still enjoyed his times out.

The only real problem with working a pointer in the beating line is WIND DIRECTION.

I have seen Labs, Springers and even Cockers working out of range, its all down to training.

To buy a dog is a personal thing and you buy what you want and train as best or willing to do and get what you get.

 

I think you are taking what each breed is bred for too far, most dogs can be trained to do what other dogs were bred for to some degree or another.

 

I respect your opinion though and have no disrespect toward you.

 

PELTY :good:

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I think I was only trying to be objective knowing the main use of the dog would be hide shooting, like yours mine will sit in a hide and go to sleep really bores her though she wants to be with me more. If it wasn't for deer and rough shooting I wouldn't have a pointer. I think they are great but there is a huge amount of blinkered hope in thinking one will be ideal in a hide and to an extent a waste but they are versatile, beating well I think they can be brilliant there isn't much you can chuck in thick cover with 1000 pheasants and numerous muntjac and rely on it not flushing the lot in seconds but I've done that twice this season. Getting beating though round here on the back of having one is another matter

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I think I was only trying to be objective knowing the main use of the dog would be hide shooting, like yours mine will sit in a hide and go to sleep really bores her though she wants to be with me more. If it wasn't for deer and rough shooting I wouldn't have a pointer. I think they are great but there is a huge amount of blinkered hope in thinking one will be ideal in a hide and to an extent a waste but they are versatile, beating well I think they can be brilliant there isn't much you can chuck in thick cover with 1000 pheasants and numerous muntjac and rely on it not flushing the lot in seconds but I've done that twice this season. Getting beating though round here on the back of having one is another matter

 

Al4x

I know what you mean, in a ideal world if all breeds done anything you want and enjoy it what breed would you choose ?

I would choose a Ridgeback and intend to get another in the not so distant future.

 

As for beating, PM me closer to the start of the new season and i will see if i can get you on a shoot or two up your way that i will be beating on.

 

PELTY :good:

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No probs on the beating front Pelty it wasn't meant for me as I already have our own shoot and a local estate I do 20 plus days so really have enough,

 

If I could have any breed I actually wouldn't change simply because I really like the temperament and actually suits what I do shooting wise, pheasants she is **** hot, foxes well she really likes them and I've also just gained as much fallow stalking as I want so really using her for what I intended, rather than the odd munty about the pace but the ones she has been on I have no worries on that front.

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Of course what this extensive thread has shown is that Highbird70 and Cosd have really thought very carefully about the type of dog they are looking for and have explored other avenues too. This is a far cry from someone who turns up to see a litter of Labradors or Spaniels and is able to say......'yes I'll have that one'.

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That's been the whole point off this thread in my opinion (not trying to bash PP's as a breed) but the fact u don't need months off research to buy a lab or spaniel. In general they do exactly wot it says on the tin, the pedigree/lines are pretty well known, probably plenty off choice of line/breeding around and it would only take a phone call to someone who has seen the bitch/sire work, and plenty off exp trianers/pro trainers who can give u advice.

 

I'm a great believer in horses for courses and pick a breed to suit wot u do instead off shoehorning a breed to fit u. I have no doubt that a GOOD trainer can train almost any breed to do almost any thing to a degree but wot's the point in struggling needlessly trying to force a dog to do something it has not been bred for. I would always have a 'boring' breed that is relatively well trained and suited to it's job than a fashion statement/novelty dog every time, fine if ur an expert trainer

 

My big worry is when u come on asking wot was really a beginners question about starting/training ur first gundog and then going in at the deep end training a dog that exp trainers might really struggle with.

I started looking for my first GWP 7 years ago took my 5 years to decide it really was the dog i wanted and get the right breeding and looked at a few litters but walked away from them, I'm sooo glad i never bought 1 all those years ago i would never have coped.

I was prepared for a tuff time but nothing could have prepared me for just how different/hard they can be to train, mainly throu my mistakes but I'd say HPR's in general are not for first time handlers

 

I wish u all the best with ur dog and not trying to be negative but just give u an honest opinion and highlight some of the problems u might find. Bottom line is i would not reccommend a HPR breed to anyone as a gundog unless u want a dog to actually point

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I understand and respect your concerns Sirs, but in my opinion, it shouldn't be harder than to train a hpr, it might be a positive point to have another different breed in the mix. As for myself, I would like a dog for mainly pointing and some retrieve in the summer. I will apreciate all your advise in the future training.

 

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I'm sooo glad i never bought 1 all those years ago i would never have coped.

I was prepared for a tuff time but nothing could have prepared me for just how different/hard they can be to train, mainly throu my mistakes but I'd say HPR's in general are not for first time handlers

 

I wish u all the best with ur dog and not trying to be negative but just give u an honest opinion and highlight some of the problems u might find. Bottom line is i would not reccommend a HPR breed to anyone as a gundog unless u want a dog to actually point

 

 

While you might be right that they are herder to train ( i dont know as i've never trained a Lab/Springer), life is too short to buy a easly trained dog then to move on to another. If your willing to throw yourself in at the deep end then go for it.

It would be nice to know when asking for a bit of guidence that help would be offered instead of I TOLD YOU SO. After all people who get Labs/Springers also ask for training help.

 

My GLP is my first gun dog, yes i do get frustrated some times but when i look at others with these so called easly trained gun dogs and they are getting frustrated at theres for similar things i feel so much better. Also i get the satifaction of my HPR doing that little bit more than the others.

 

If I want a lorry i'd get a lorry and learn to drive it, not buy a Mini learn to drive that then get a lorry and then learn how to drive it.

So why get a Lab then a HPR. If it was a big powerful dog i wanted then yes maybe get a lesser breed as your first dog, even though i didnt and went straight for ridgebacks with no regrets.

 

I look forward to seeing the posts from Cos and how he is getting on, I will try to help in anyway i can. Not that i am a top trainer but have had time with HPR's

 

PELTY

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1. Read "The Specialist Gundog" by Guy Wallace and "Gundogs, Training and Field Trials" by Peter Moxon.

 

2. Join the Gundog Training Forum and spend a few weeks trawling it for information.

 

3. Go and see a local pro trainer before you even buy your dog.

 

4. If your heart is set on the pointer then go for it but go into it with your eyes open. You need to be 100% committed to the dog from day one.

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