guest1957 Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 lol yes irresponsible when done on the shoreline making it easy for other shore users to come into contact with them. I'm not saying ban netting for personal use just not from the shore ! What about 6 - 8oz gripper leads flying all over the place or jet skiers slicing lines. Live and let live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Reading the regs for Northumberland the net hss to be 7 feet below the water at LOW tide. Just as well I never went for the nets back then as I would have fallen foul of the law. Quite a lot of rules and regulations surround the netting from an unregistered boat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootnfish Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 How can a lead be dangerous,unless your actually casting it at someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted March 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 I'm not saying that you personally dont comply with regulations, this is not a dig at you as a person ! To say that nets dont stretch (reducing the diameter) or that nets dont rip is ludicras, i see lads mending ripped nets every day on the harbour. And to say that people dont use fyke nets either is also ludicras some people will use whatever they can ! fyks cant will not and are no use set on a beach due to how they work end off. mono will not stretch you would think it would but it WONT it will just snap i promise you. nets do rip but not of the lines as thats what it wouyld take to have one sweep away BUT even if they dis rip thru 18,000mesh theirs 12mm end ropes to hold it! gill nets are not mended they are fished untill their is more hole than net then cut out off the lines and net ones made, trawl nets are mended but gill nets are not . you have a blinkerd veiw and are not open to real facts just things facts and nubers you have made up in your head to get angry about it all. they are perfectly bloody safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrod Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Carry on netting. Don`t do it personally but living 200m away from the beach the local fishermen do it here during the winter and I`ve witnessed the police arresting someone for criminal damage for slashing one of the nets! How would we like it if someone came along and destroyed a hide we have for decoying etc? These fishermen do it for a living! Once the summer is here they stop netting as all the tourists are here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted March 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Reading the regs for Northumberland the net hss to be 7 feet below the water at LOW tide. Just as well I never went for the nets back then as I would have fallen foul of the law. Quite a lot of rules and regulations surround the netting from an unregistered boat. thats from a boat thou ours is 12ft below the surface at low water, it will be diffrent for the beach Carry on netting. Don`t do it personally but living 200m away from the beach the local fishermen do it here during the winter and I`ve witnessed the police arresting someone for criminal damage for slashing one of the nets! How would we like it if someone came along and destroyed a hide we have for decoying etc? These fishermen do it for a living! Once the summer is here they stop netting as all the tourists are here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpy Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 fyks cant will not and are no use set on a beach due to how they work end off. mono will not stretch you would think it would but it WONT it will just snap i promise you. nets do rip but not of the lines as thats what it wouyld take to have one sweep away BUT even if they dis rip thru 18,000mesh theirs 12mm end ropes to hold it! gill nets are not mended they are fished untill their is more hole than net then cut out off the lines and net ones made, trawl nets are mended but gill nets are not . you have a blinkerd veiw and are not open to real facts just things facts and nubers you have made up in your head to get angry about it all. they are perfectly bloody safe Once again MONOFILAMENT DOES STRETCH ! any angler or comercial fisherman will tell you the same. It seems to me that you are the one who's getting angry because the faults i have mentioned DO happen on a regular basis anybody who walks the shoreline WILL have seen bundles of monofilament net washed up on the shore. A net suspended below the surface within close proximity of the shore IS a danger to other people using the beach even if you dont agree ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 How can a lead be dangerous,unless your actually casting it at someone. you never had a crack off when pendulums casting Trust me it's scary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted March 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Once again MONOFILAMENT DOES STRETCH ! any angler or comercial fisherman will tell you the same. It seems to me that you are the one who's getting angry because the faults i have mentioned DO happen on a regular basis anybody who walks the shoreline WILL have seen bundles of monofilament net washed up on the shore. A net suspended below the surface within close proximity of the shore IS a danger to other people using the beach even if you dont agree ! lenths of fishing line mono will stretch.. a 8inch lenth (4inch mesh) will not no one bit is longer than 2inch it will not stretch you dont use them dont work with them you dont know. you never had a crack off when pendulums casting Trust me it's scary no it wont snap when power casting it will stretch lol its like bungee cord mono wheres teirciel when you need him lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 How can a lead be dangerous,unless your actually casting it at someone. young lad killed at hendon pier a few years ago when a 6oz sinker hit him following a crack off KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Very much against shore netting ! They DO kill sea birds, they can be VERY dangerous to beach users (kite/wind surfer's,kyak users,jet ski's, swimmers, children) they play havok with shore angling, they kill lots of undersize fish, I persnoally think all shore netting should be banned. I have and will cut/remove any net's i find when fishing/bait collecting. I am licenced by my local fisheries authority to fish 10 pots or nets, I have the tags for them and I would have no hesitation in calling the police if they were cut. As a licenced gun holder, you are admitting you would willingly commit criminal damage and theft....thats good for anyones ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 lenths of fishing line mono will stretch.. a 8inch lenth (4inch mesh) will not no one bit is longer than 2inch it will not stretch you dont use them dont work with them you dont know. no it wont snap when power casting it will stretch lol its like bungee cord mono wheres teirciel when you need him lol I'm with you mate....the hard point is trying to explain to those who know zilch but think they know it all. I have fished Gill nets commercially......to all concerned, due to the way they are rigged, they DO NOT STRETCH. The mesh size determines what you catch, a small mesh catches small fish but not many big ones and vice versa. An anchored net that is lost gathers weed and becomes clearly visible to fish before the weight of the weed flattens it. When I was fishing we targeted wrecks so the nets never broke away and drifted. We never once saw a sea bird in our nets....mind they do find it hard to dive down to 2 or 3 hundred feet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 I can see both sides of the argument here, but have voted with my own personal experience here in the South East. Unfortunately it isn't good either. I have dragged several hundred metres off the beaches over the last few years, I can't say why they had broken free but they had. I've seen nets set within 50 metres of the low water mark, that's within reach of any day angler, small boat, swimming dog or human. I've seen nets pulled which contained mainly undersized Bass, well, undersized for rod and line anglers anyway, I assume it must be different for netters for some reason? I understand how mesh sizes should eliminate the undersize take but it's obviously not foolproof. On the one occasion I did enquire politely of a netter for the answer to a couple of the above questions, I was lless politely told to go forth and multiply. Maybe I am tarring all with the same brush, but I call it as I see it and it's not a single isolated situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootnfish Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 Had crack offs but they go off in the direction in casting , may be different pendulum casting but i don't do that just a normal cast for me. (replieing to Leeds chimp,cant quote on phone for some reason) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted March 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 good input all around lads next month ile try and get a good thread going with pics so people can see whats its all about,,,,,,,and all the seabirds in the nets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 Very much against shore netting ! They DO kill sea birds, they can be VERY dangerous to beach users (kite/wind surfer's,kyak users,jet ski's, swimmers, children) they play havok with shore angling, they kill lots of undersize fish, I persnoally think all shore netting should be banned. I have and will cut/remove any net's i find when fishing/bait collecting. <p>dont have time to read the whole of this thread so may have been mentioned, but the damage caused by bait diggers is considerable and is probably greater to the environment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrod Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 good input all around lads next month ile try and get a good thread going with pics so people can see whats its all about,,,,,,,and all the seabirds in the nets Yes all them poor old seagulls in the nets after they have attacked the kids/OAP`s for their ice creams! I was talking to one of the local fishermen this morning when talking the dog oiut and he said hes caught 2 cormorants in 40 years and both were alive and flew away! The fishery`s are on the beach with them during the salmon run so all is legal here. Talk to your local fishermen and you might see the other side! Shore gill nets only drift in this area due to numpty`s cutting them free as we live in a very sheltered bay so they would`nt just brake free and drift! What got the fisherman this morning when I told him about this thread was "Christ I thought shooters would be supporting us"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 (edited) Beach gill netting does not take place around my part of the world which lies within the Tweed Estuary which I think extends from Cockburnspath in the north almost to Holy Island in the south. This is in the cause salmon preservation, but legal salmon nets are used on the beaches at Goswick once the site of a very extensive stake net operation. High Seas which part of the country are you working your nets in? Also how far away from your beach site do you live as it appears from other posts here that vandalism could be a problem with unattended set beach nets. Blackpowder Edited March 9, 2013 by Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Z Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 (edited) common clash of user groups. You should be working for the National Trust lumpy, it would save your annual membership fee. I would suggest that people have been netting beaches far longer than people have been using the beach for recreation. Does that give them more right?... Safety is a pointless arguement. If I know or suspect a beach is being used for fishing by anglers or nets I wouldn't be letting my family or dog be running around. The sea is dangerous at the best of times. If someone wants to swim in a responsible manner, they should go to a lifeguard area at a sensible time of year. Or maybe they should have to complete a proficiency test and buy a licence? why not. People getting all high and mighty because they think they have some moral high ground over others. Ridiculous. Fishing nets are designed to catch fish as much as a pigeon cartridge is designed to kill pigeon. Of course they can damage non target species, that's where responsible use, knowledge and skill come in. I would love to read some more made up statistics about numbers of non target species caught. Maybe you could then draw up a pretty pie chart showing non target species damage done by beach netters compared to commercial sea fishing. That would be a good use of your time Oh by the way, I want to take a stroll down the main road later on. If everyone could stop driving down it, running over poor little badgers and other endangered species at the same time, that would be fab. While strolling I will pick up all the litter you have left by the roadside. And if there's a parked car in my way, I reckon a good tyre slashing is the order of the day Edited March 9, 2013 by Marc Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Z Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 (edited) P.s, if a net stretches, it just lets all those diamond shaped fish through. I didn't think that fish were square anyway? Edited March 9, 2013 by Marc Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasper3 Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 This is just my personal view As a kayak fisherman, I hate the things, many are not marked and have caused problems with catching rudders & drogues, we do have a few people who have a licence to net certain area's down here,and they are clearly marked with black bouys yet I know of one person who was heavily fined for illegal netting, yet still does it, as the profit from the Bass was greater than the fine, The bass fishing has dropped off by half in the area.and catches of big bass have almost gone.. comparing it to shooting is in my mind stupid , I would never lay a trap to shoot rabbits, fox's or Deer, even if you decoy, the pigeons, they can still fly away if not shot.. the fish that enter these nets can not escape and are trapped for hours the fish i catch on my rod and line are either thrown back straight away or despatched instantly I am all for keeping country sports and the british ways, but they must be done legally and responsibly. I carry 3rd party insurance for my kayak, so God forbid i actually hit someone when landing on the beach at least they will get compensation, my main reason for hating gillnets are....They are not sporting..they are traps these are just my personal views.. I would never cut one, but i do not like them jasp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted March 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 Beach gill netting does not take place around my part of the world which lies within the Tweed Estuary which I think extends from Cockburnspath in the north almost to Holy Island in the south. This is in the cause salmon preservation, but legal salmon nets are used on the beaches at Goswick once the site of a very extensive stake net operation. High Seas which part of the country are you working your nets in? Also how far away from your beach site do you live as it appears from other posts here that vandalism could be a problem with unattended set beach nets. Blackpowder in cumbria no one can damage nets even if they wanted too theirs 4-5 other guys who net the beach and they look after each other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted March 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 This is just my personal view As a kayak fisherman, I hate the things, many are not marked and have caused problems with catching rudders & drogues, we do have a few people who have a licence to net certain area's down here,and they are clearly marked with black bouys yet I know of one person who was heavily fined for illegal netting, yet still does it, as the profit from the Bass was greater than the fine, The bass fishing has dropped off by half in the area.and catches of big bass have almost gone.. comparing it to shooting is in my mind stupid , I would never lay a trap to shoot rabbits, fox's or Deer, even if you decoy, the pigeons, they can still fly away if not shot.. the fish that enter these nets can not escape and are trapped for hours the fish i catch on my rod and line are either thrown back straight away or despatched instantly I am all for keeping country sports and the british ways, but they must be done legally and responsibly. I carry 3rd party insurance for my kayak, so God forbid i actually hit someone when landing on the beach at least they will get compensation, my main reason for hating gillnets are....They are not sporting..they are traps these are just my personal views.. I would never cut one, but i do not like them jasp their not intended to be sporting, its a odd thing kind of fun thats in the blood,kinda like wildfowling but nets and fish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasper3 Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 I guess we have different outlooks on what and how we dispatch things... as long as we stay within the law, we are both entitled to our opinions , mine has been and always will be, the quarry will have a sporting chance... jasp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vole Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 in cumbria no one can damage nets even if they wanted too theirs 4-5 other guys who net the beach and they look after each other We used to net Maryport Bank End and Stone Hut most years . Crabs aplenty but never a seabird . 39lb Cod once , well done Dale . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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