Guest jonrms Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 What do I buy??? Do I go second hand? buy one new .. so far the only place I trust is rugby gunshop (Terrie quoted me I think just under 300£ ) for a brand new one any ideas guys and gals? Oh and I have never fired a 17hmr in my life! I assume they are the same in cleaning etc.. stripping down as a .22lr. I know before anyone goes on .. higher velocity etc... I use alot of HV rounds in my .22 and I have shot much higher cals than this........ but I heard the advantages of the 17 and since I have a open spot for one on my cert i might as well get one... or consider one. thanks guys and gals agian!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Jon You've seen this been asked a million times on here, try searching or even going back a few pages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Sorry Axe, i have seen it on here once! and it was a short bit that said go for a cz... I want options! What has been on here a million times is the use, the purpose, the accuracy, the ballistics (shall I go on) but not which 17hrm is the best.. and where to buy them at a good price... This is what I am after. http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...showtopic=23489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Heres a few for ya Jon. http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...c=18164&hl= http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...c=17418&hl= http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...c=15876&hl= http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...c=14233&hl= http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...c=13621&hl= http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...c=12186&hl= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno 357 Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Should be able to get a nice new cz with quality glass mounted and a mod for £600 from almost anywhere Its that simple "guys and gals" Jonno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Well said Jonno. Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 CZ - no, no, no, no Spend a bit more money and get a decent bit of kit - get a thumbhole-stocked Anschutz Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caplock Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 "Spend a bit more money and get a decent bit of kit - get a thumbhole-stocked Anschutz" Hmm.... ok if you want to polish it and admire the grain. Forget it if you are actually going to use the rifle in the field in all conditions, you'll only cry first time you ding it! Get a you know what, decent bit of glass and enjoy. It's the same round/bullet no matter what bit of pipe you chuck it out of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 http://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151464 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 "Spend a bit more money and get a decent bit of kit - get a thumbhole-stocked Anschutz" Hmm.... ok if you want to polish it and admire the grain. Forget it if you are actually going to use the rifle in the field in all conditions, you'll only cry first time you ding it! Get a you know what, decent bit of glass and enjoy. It's the same round/bullet no matter what bit of pipe you chuck it out of. Absolute cobblers The trigger is better on the Anschutz, and the safety catch a damn sight better to use. Also the gun itself is easier to point and shoot if you want to use it freehand due to the thumbhole stock. And yes- there is pride in ownership in owning a bit of craftmanship rather than a run-of-the-mill, bog standard, boring CZ. If everyone thought as you, then the roads would be full of mini's and Fiat Pandas. It's not what the gun will do, it's how it does it I have owned lots of CZ's in the past. Performance is, well, OK, but one has to strive for something better rather than to sink into mediocrity My Anschutz gets lots of use, and it gets thrown in the mud. A bit of a wipe off, clean and oil, and away we go again Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caplock Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Calm down dad you'll blow something.....!! Pure out and out snobbery that is prevalent amongst your age group I'm afarid. If it's not a Rolex, Aston Martin, Holland and Holland, or anything that doesn't cost an arm or leg then it must be inferior. This may of been true many years ago when cheap imported tat was to be derided over craftsmen built goods, however one computer controlled CNC milling machine is no better than any other really despite whose 'Name' goes on at the end these days. 'Better' is a very subjective term that has no real quantity, unless you measure it by the amount of £££'s you have to shell out for the said item, in which case the delusion factor kicks in and another victim of the marketing hype has succumbed. They all go bang at the end of the day despite their looks and if the operator does their bit results will follow, all be it a £100 gun or one costing a couple of grand. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 "Spend a bit more money and get a decent bit of kit - get a thumbhole-stocked Anschutz" Hmm.... ok if you want to polish it and admire the grain. Forget it if you are actually going to use the rifle in the field in all conditions, you'll only cry first time you ding it! Get a you know what, decent bit of glass and enjoy. It's the same round/bullet no matter what bit of pipe you chuck it out of. Absolute cobblers The trigger is better on the Anschutz, and the safety catch a damn sight better to use. Also the gun itself is easier to point and shoot if you want to use it freehand due to the thumbhole stock. And yes- there is pride in ownership in owning a bit of craftmanship rather than a run-of-the-mill, bog standard, boring CZ. If everyone thought as you, then the roads would be full of mini's and Fiat Pandas. It's not what the gun will do, it's how it does it I have owned lots of CZ's in the past. Performance is, well, OK, but one has to strive for something better rather than to sink into mediocrity My Anschutz gets lots of use, and it gets thrown in the mud. A bit of a wipe off, clean and oil, and away we go again Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Calm down dad you'll blow something.....!! Pure out and out snobbery that is prevalent amongst your age group I'm afarid. If it's not a Rolex, Aston Martin, Holland and Holland, or anything that doesn't cost an arm or leg then it must be inferior. This may of been true many years ago when cheap imported tat was to be derided over craftsmen built goods, however one computer controlled CNC milling machine is no better than any other really despite whose 'Name' goes on at the end these days. 'Better' is a very subjective term that has no real quantity, unless you measure it by the amount of £££'s you have to shell out for the said item, in which case the delusion factor kicks in and another victim of the marketing hype has succumbed. They all go bang at the end of the day despite their looks and if the operator does their bit results will follow, all be it a £100 gun or one costing a couple of grand. Cheers Basically the theory that you get what you pay for is blown out of the water where a CZ are concerned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Calm down dad you'll blow something.....!! Pure out and out snobbery that is prevalent amongst your age group I'm afarid. If it's not a Rolex, Aston Martin, Holland and Holland, or anything that doesn't cost an arm or leg then it must be inferior. This may of been true many years ago when cheap imported tat was to be derided over craftsmen built goods, however one computer controlled CNC milling machine is no better than any other really despite whose 'Name' goes on at the end these days. 'Better' is a very subjective term that has no real quantity, unless you measure it by the amount of £££'s you have to shell out for the said item, in which case the delusion factor kicks in and another victim of the marketing hype has succumbed. They all go bang at the end of the day despite their looks and if the operator does their bit results will follow, all be it a £100 gun or one costing a couple of grand. Cheers Now you see Caplock, like most youngsters you rush into replying without actually reading what you are replying to. You read what you think is in front of you, whereas with a little experience and knowledge of life you will ponder and reflect before rushing into print. I have owned CZ's in the past, enjoyed them, and moved on to something better. If you read posts on this forum you will see endless mentions of people who own CZ's and want their triggers improved, spend hours improving the stock, etc. etc, etc. With CZ's you can attain, well, average results by trying very hard and allowing for deficiencies in the design and build quality. I have no problem with this at all, as long as you are not blind to what is obvious - you gets what you pays for. 'They all go bang at the end of the day' is a comment that displays that you know little of what you are talking about. Are you suggesting that, say, a CZ rimmy is as good as a Sako Varmint rimmy. If so then there is little hope for a more reasoned debate with you. Now, if you are saying that I paid too much for my superior Anschutz - well that is open to debate. If you have the money, then you may or may not regret the cost of an Anschutz - I don't. I can almost hear the elder statemen on this forum nodding their heads in agreement with me - youngsters do rush in, and learn by their mistakes. Part of life I'm afraid, and when you have the experience of life that mature years bring, then I am sure that, grudgingly, you may(will) concede that I wuz right. I await your response with interest - may it be more reasoned than your first attempt Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_HMR Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Calling a CZ average isnt exactly fair tbh now im not being snobby just because i have one i know for a fact they arent the best gun out there but they're one hell of a gun for what your paying they're of much higher build qauility of anything else in its range An anschutz may be a better gun but your payin for it a CZ's arent built as benchrest guns they're built for hunting and with price in mind and for what they are they're fantastic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missedagainstan Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Me being unfortunately not a youngster any more but certainly not an elder statesman – somewhere in the middle me thinks am in a bit of a predicament After handling both rifles above I’m ready to purchase any one but haven’t rushed in – that must make me an old b*#@*#*d then As a service engineer I work with tools all day and can tell the difference between cheap and good quality kit, but both doing the same job and achieving the same end result and I know which I’d rather work with. The sales guy in the shop is trying to push the CZ and logic tells me to buy it and bank the difference But the Anschutz handles and feels different altogether and to me a good quality piece of kit but at over double the cost of the CZ is it worth it? To me I think so If you can afford it spoil yourself, but tell the wife it was the cheap one. Not saying at all that the CZ is cheap As I said at the top of the post, I haven’t rushed in (does that really make me an old b*#@*#*d then) and will still have to pick them both up again to make a final decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Heres a few for ya Jon. http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...c=18164&hl= http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...c=17418&hl= http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...c=15876&hl= http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...c=14233&hl= http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...c=13621&hl= http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...c=12186&hl= Ok I stand corrected ... but it keeps going to the same two guns... Oh and your third link.. is about a .17hmr not what gun to buy!!!! I am after cheap.. ie in cost.. hence why I posted I can get a brand new gun for under 300 from the rugby gunshop...... The other one on the bbs forum.. will cost me alot because of shipping and my fee to my RFD.. totaling more than a new gun! I really am after a field / second hand one.. but not sure where to look... I should have made that clear. I dont care about its looks... if its scratched to all heck.... I just want it to do a job... I will worry about the revarnishing of a stock later... or cosmetics... I would ideally want one for around 100-200 mark.. but if I cant I will just get the one from rugby gunshop. Thats all.... maybe I will put a wanted add in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reefman Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 I've just bought a cz american .17hmr and put 50 rounds through it yesterday,it's out of the box accuracy impressed me 2'' at 100 yds on my range .Not bench rest brilliant I accept but bloody good for in the field practical shooting. I have a 20yr old Marlin .22rf and love it.I tried my friends .17hmr Marlin and hated the way the magazine engages. The anchutz is a fine rifle and worth the money. I have an affinity with cz as they are a no nonsense practical gun,I have a .223 cz and rate that as a foxing tool Perhaps I am simplistic with weapons . I used to shoot an SLR in .762 in a previous life ; you have to experience one of those triggers before you can even qualify to be picky.Still hit a kill zone at 300yd with open sights though I get nice results with the cz's and my old Marlin. But accept there is better out there. My advice is try a few out ,you will be pleasantly supprised once you handle different weapons. I still like the cz's mind despite cost not being a problem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Calling a CZ average isnt exactly fair tbh now im not being snobby just because i have one i know for a fact they arent the best gun out there but they're one hell of a gun for what your paying they're of much higher build qauility of anything else in its range An anschutz may be a better gun but your payin for it a CZ's arent built as benchrest guns they're built for hunting and with price in mind and for what they are they're fantastic I don't disagree with a single word that you have said I used the word 'average' about CZ's unfairly, but to provoke some reaction from fanatical CZ owners. If you buy a CZ, then you will not be disappointed - just that there are 'better' guns out there, but for this privilege you will pay a lot more. You pays your money..... Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caplock Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 I agree Duck, fortunately for me, cost is not an inhibiting factor when purchasing any of the tools associated with my hobby. However I must have an inbuilt anti snob gland that kicks in, a sort of brand name/hype rebellion streak that gives me great pleasure in outshooting my associates, of all ages I might add, with something of the eastern bloc (inferior?) non brand name manufacture. I thank you for the 'foolish youth' quotes, once again age it seems has the moral high ground and long may this be so. Every gun club or range has an eccentric 'duffer' (this is by NO means a slur) that is listened to with affection/awe by the younger members. I know I was one of 'em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 AND WOTS UP WITH RUGER mine is a bute shoots like a dream now. But probably out of your price range seriously though whatever you go for you will have allot of fun using it its a great little round, it may take a few rounds though to find the most accurate, and the cleaning of it will baffle you. As in, do i clean it this way that way with this or with that. Its a very fussy calibre as you will find out. Buy what you are happy with and dont take too much notice of allot of biast oppinions. I my RUGER 77/17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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