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Well got the letters :/ and even the doctor at one point in the letter says she has not known mr edwards to have any violent behaviour etc :/ the letters are long winded but in a nut shell im unsure what to do now :no: i can type out a copy to any of the basc top brass if they want to see them but im thinking all i can do now is come of the flaming tablet and re-apply for my sgc in a year or so :sad1:

Dont agree the the police decision but what can you do? :cry1: havent got money to fight the decision allthough i think its wrong so stuffed really :(

 

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So could it be that your doctor knows your life has recently been de-stabilised by loss of job, wife and home: You can't be bothered get out of bed, but you choose this period in your life to suddenly attempt to acquire a shotgun and go traipsing out to clays and pigeon shooting while being unfit enough to get a job?

 

I'd have no trouble knocking you back with all that recent lifestyle change to to be honest. It's come at a very iffy time mate. I'm not picking fault but you have to wonder if anyone suspects there's a possibility you are not currently your usual laid back and relaxed self.

 

This is partly why I feel professional referees are not always a good idea for ANY type of gun ownership. If your referees knew your unique and current personal circumstances would you be confident of acquiring a SGC?

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From the doctors point of view,all she needed to say was the truth..Mr Edwards is on prozac due to him needing motivation due to loosing his house and job(within a week)

 

Not that i know much about the legality side of things but i think time and patience is your best friend here, losing both a house and a job in a week is rather ****ty to say the least and you would understandably be knocked by this, obviously follow the lead from BASC as they are the professionals, but i would imagine re-applying later after coming off the pills, explaining the context of the situation at the time and now how you are over it would seem rather reasonable. We all go through rough patches but i guess the timing in this case isnt in your favour.

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Sort of off topic but I think I am right in thinking that you should request to have your application withdrawn and not have it rejected.

 

I *think* once rejected you cannot shoot with a friend at a clay club etc at all.

 

Caveat - this may have already been covered in the earlier eight pages and I may be wrong. All in all possibly not the most helpful post!

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By the way also worth making sure your back is 100% too, i herniated a disc about 9 months back and over did it this week on the clays and am paying for it now, having to work from home as cant do the commute...

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Sort of off topic but I think I am right in thinking that you should request to have your application withdrawn and not have it rejected.

 

I *think* once rejected you cannot shoot with a friend at a clay club etc at all.

 

Caveat - this may have already been covered in the earlier eight pages and I may be wrong. All in all possibly not the most helpful post!

 

Being refused doesn't prevent you shooting via any of the other lawful means. Obviously, if you were refused because you were a prohibited person then you couldn't shoot anywhere else but that would have been the case even before you applied.

 

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Not that i know much about the legality side of things but i think time and patience is your best friend here, losing both a house and a job in a week is rather ****ty to say the least and you would understandably be knocked by this, obviously follow the lead from BASC as they are the professionals, but i would imagine re-applying later after coming off the pills, explaining the context of the situation at the time and now how you are over it would seem rather reasonable. We all go through rough patches but i guess the timing in this case isnt in your favour.

Lost house in 2008 m8,but been on the tablet since then,but not for much longer,be coming off it and all being well ill be popping at the clays and pigeons in a year or two :good:

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By all means send a photo copy to us and we will have another chat with your FEO, but i think the initial guidance given by our firearms officer still stands.

 

David

After the chat with the firearms chap i think its just a waiting game now m8ty,dont want to waste peoples time when there isnt a chance to overturn a decision even if i think its wrong :blush: hopefully there is a member on here thats in lincolnshire who needs a hand on a shoot so i can keep in with the crowd as they say,ps police have said i allowed to shoot with anyone with a sgc and on permission land etc with there supervision ,so all not doom and gloom :good:

 

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Being refused doesn't prevent you shooting via any of the other lawful means. Obviously, if you were refused because you were a prohibited person then you couldn't shoot anywhere else but that would have been the case even before you applied.

 

J.

 

Ok thanks, out of interest where is line between being refused on medical grounds because you are on meds and being a "prohibited person" because of medical history?

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After the chat with the firearms chap i think its just a waiting game now m8ty,dont want to waste peoples time when there isnt a chance to overturn a decision even if i think its wrong :blush: hopefully there is a member on here thats in lincolnshire who needs a hand on a shoot so i can keep in with the crowd as they say,ps police have said i allowed to shoot with anyone with a sgc and on permission land etc with there supervision ,so all not doom and gloom :good:

 

lee

 

so the police say it's safe for you to shoot and handle a gun but not safe for you to have a certificate,does not make sense to me,you are either safe to handle a gun or you are not!,

 

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I am not qualified to comment but it strikes me someone with a mild dose if anti depressants (20mg a day Prozac) that has been on them for 4+ years and living an independent and normal life, has no history of violent behaviour or manic episodes is a pretty normal person, it would be more dangerous to not take the prescribed medication and follow the correct procedure for coming off the tablets. I would recommend a long and direct conversation with your GP and if possible a specialist about the best course of action to allow you to stay healthy and enjoy shooting.

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Or the same as any other none prohibited person

 

 

i cant understand how the police have told him to carry on shooting but wont give him a certificate,if the police think he's not safe to have a certificate i would have thought that they would think that he's not safe to handle a gun,if he's not safe to have a certificate then the police should state that he is prohibited and state why?,

it's the gun which is dangerous bit not the shotgun cert but police are willing for him to shoot/handle guns????

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I am not qualified to comment but it strikes me someone with a mild dose if anti depressants (20mg a day Prozac) that has been on them for 4+ years and living an independent and normal life, has no history of violent behaviour or manic episodes is a pretty normal person, it would be more dangerous to not take the prescribed medication and follow the correct procedure for coming off the tablets. I would recommend a long and direct conversation with your GP and if possible a specialist about the best course of action to allow you to stay healthy and enjoy shooting.

Got it in one m8ty :good: think if i was a violent loon my wife would soon have sommat to say lol :lol: at docs on the 9th to discuss coming off the tablet properly (heard horror storys of peeps doing it wrong :oops: ) then re-apply for sgc in the future :good: dont think its fair but what can you do :whistling:

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i cant understand how the police have told him to carry on shooting but wont give him a certificate,if the police think he's not safe to have a certificate i would have thought that they would think that he's not safe to handle a gun,if he's not safe to have a certificate then the police should state that he is prohibited and state why?,

it's the gun which is dangerous bit not the shotgun cert but police are willing for him to shoot/handle guns????

Prohibition is down to serving a custodial sentence and is part of the firearm act. Police can't AFAIK prevent people from accessing guns through the proper channels.

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