mrmints Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Hey guys, how does the magazine cut off on the escort work? I've read the instruction manual available online which suggests it is nothing to do with firing, ie, you use it to take out an unfired round and put in a different cartridge. However, I've seen people talking about using it to turn their gun into a single shot, that is, you engage it (with the gun fully loaded with three rounds) pull the trigger and the spend cartridge is ejected and the breech is left open? Is this what is referenced int the manual by "therefore it should be hold pressed during shooting"?? Thanks in advance for your comments! Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigman Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 On mine a older model it stops another cart from being loaded after firing an locks back the bolt , Or if you need to unload gun for any reason you can lock back the bolt using maginze cut off then unload unfired carts from the mag tube without cycling the gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmints Posted April 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 Do you need to hold the cut off in place for it to work during firing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 Do you need to hold the cut off in place for it to work during firing? no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 7, 2013 Report Share Posted April 7, 2013 Now the gun is back at the shop they should be able to get you an answer! Let us know what happens please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvEr_KiLL Posted April 7, 2013 Report Share Posted April 7, 2013 On mine a older model it stops another cart from being loaded after firing an locks back the bolt , Or if you need to unload gun for any reason you can lock back the bolt using maginze cut off then unload unfired carts from the mag tube without cycling the gun same on the new ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgun Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 On mine a older model it stops another cart from being loaded after firing an locks back the bolt , Or if you need to unload gun for any reason you can lock back the bolt using maginze cut off then unload unfired carts from the mag tube without cycling the gun How do you unload without cycling and while cut-off engaged? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmints Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Hum. After some deliberation I bought the 28" version. I took it to a clay range and put 50 through it. No problem cycling. However, I couldn't get the magazine cut off to work. I would press it in, pull the trigger and the gun would fire and cycle. Back to the shop I went and we took it out into the fields and they found the exact same thing. Push it in, pull the trigger, gun cycles as normal! Back it went to Edgar Bro's!! I've just had a phone call telling me that there was nothing wrong with the gun, it's only meant to be used as a "saftey feature", that is, when pressed the round in the chamber can be removed by pulling back the action. This is obviously at odds with what you chaps are saying on the forum. Any thoughts would be much appreciated. It's the magnum model with the speed loading system... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigman Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Well mine is the older model , but can assure you my cut off button stays in when pushed and the bolt will lock back once fired or cocked back by hand, maybe it's mine thats faulty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvEr_KiLL Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Well mine is the older model , but can assure you my cut off button stays in when pushed and the bolt will lock back once fired or cocked back by hand, maybe it's mine thats faulty? thats what is supposed to happen LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigman Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 thats what is supposed to happen LOLThat's what I thought , but from what Edgar bros have said apparently not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvEr_KiLL Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) That's what I thought , but from what Edgar bros have said apparently not? edgar bros dont know what there talking about mate, why what did they say? its not called '' a magazine cut off button '' for nothing mate Edited April 10, 2013 by OvEr_KiLL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Just trying to remeber if the recoil resets mine, will check at the wekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvEr_KiLL Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Just trying to remeber if the recoil resets mine, will check at the wekend. it shouldnt do mate, it stays off or on until you press it again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigman Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 edgar bros dont know what there talking about mate, why what did they say? its not called '' a magazine cut off button '' for nothing mate Read the above posts mate , the op has sent his back to EB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvEr_KiLL Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 yeh and they still dont know what they are talking about :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmints Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) Basically they've(Edgar Bro's) told me that it is only designed to facilitate the removal of the cartridge. So what happens is....you approach a gate that needs to be climbed and want to make the gun safe for the climb over. So, you engage the magazine cut off, pull back the bolt and the cartridge in the barrel is ejected. It can then be put back in once safe. If you didn't have the option to "cut off" the magazine, you'd need to eject all three carts before the gun was "safe". I've read the instruction manual now about 50 times in relation to the cut off and its poorly written. It can be interpreted to mean the above OR the firing method as described by the chaps whose guns do cut off when fired. Very confusing!! I also emailed Hatsan asking them this and their response could be read either way as well!!!! They said "when you press the magazine cut off button, yes it prevents the next shell from mag tube to feed into chamber. But its for one shot only. That is when you shoot the live round, it pops out (I think they mean the cut off button). You have to press it again. for more details see instruction manual." This to me could mean, YES, when you fire it it cuts off or YES, when you press it it cuts off... Edited April 10, 2013 by mrmints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 I have a feeling mine resets you know. I think that I set it at the weekend when I had a light strike and took the cart out to inspect it. When I then reloaded and dropped the bolt, I'm almost certain it reloaded the next cartridge on firing but I hadn't unlocked the mag cut off. I've often used it on the marsh as a safety feature by dropping the one out of the chamber and closing the bolt, then releasing the mag, meaning a cycle of the bolt leaves me live again much faster than fumbling for a cartridge and loading. But it's unloaded until then so safe. I say again, I'll try it at the weekend. I want to try it now but suspect the neighbours will object! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmints Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 http://www.gunmart.net/gun_review/hatsan_escort_magnum/ Have a look at the video, at 1.47 he talks about the magazine cut off and describes it as Edgar Brothers did. Not that that's conclusive of anything, but interesting none the less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmints Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) Also, this review describes it exactly as EB did. However, I wonder if that's just because that's what Edgar Bro's have told the reviewer!!! http://www.sportinggun.co.uk/guns/524488/Hatsan_Escort_semiauto_shotgun.html I'll be interested to hear what your gun does this weekend Mongrel. Don't worry about the neighbors, just do it at 5.30am before they wake up Edited April 10, 2013 by mrmints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvEr_KiLL Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 i have just tried it again with snap caps! i put 1 in the top, closed the bolt, then 1 in the bottom, pushed the magazine cut off switch and pulled the bolt back, the top cartridge ejected and the bolt stayed back i then closed the bolt again and pulled it back and the 1 in the magazine tube still stayed there and the bolt stayed back, i closed the bolt again and pushed the magazine cut off switch and then pulled the bolt back and it loaded the 1 from the magazine tube as it would normally do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 I have a feeling it's the recoil that will be required to reset it, you're only cycling the bolt...we shall see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmints Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Yeah, that's exactly what I've been told should happen. What I thought would also happen (but have been told by Edgar Bro's is incorrect) is if you pushed in the cut off and pulled the trigger to fire the round in the chamber, the same thing would happen i.e. fired cartridge expelled, other two stay put, bolt locks back.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvEr_KiLL Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) thats what happens lol, pull the trigger cart ejects bolt stays back and the other 2 stay in the magazine tube! Edited April 10, 2013 by OvEr_KiLL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmints Posted April 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Agh! Not on mine! And despite sending it back to EB, it still won't! they said it's working exactly as it should!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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