al4x Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 Stats are stats what they don't show is the crimes committed without a gun. If you carry a gun and pull it out to use it against an armed criminal he's far more likely to shoot at you than if you're un armed. Whichever way you go its a pointless argument as it'll never happen here. All this poll does is makes it even less likely that sporting pistol shooters will ever be able to do their sport again. That is what people should be campaigning about rather then the right to walk round like John Wayne shooting criminals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted November 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/TargetPistols/ If you carry a gun and pull it out to use it against an armed criminal he's far more likely to shoot at you than if you're un armed. if he thought you had a gun, would he,( they) put themselves in that position.? rather then the right to walk round like John Wayne shooting criminals. you watch to much tv. thats not what it,s about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 The only mistake Tony Martin made was to have an unlicensed gun. Yes he should have been repremanded for that but not for shooting the thieving gypsey scumbag. If that bloke had realised that tony Martin was armed he would not have gone in there. He was a toerag that thought he could bully his way to making an easy buck. The papers are full of cases now where people are being seriouly hurt over minor incidents. Not just a punch in the mush or a kick to the nuts but carved up with a stanley knife etc. It has to stop, and desperate measures are called for because the police are not doing the job they are meant to be doing. Yes you can blame the government or the parents or whoever but it doesn't matter who is to blame. Stop the symptoms and treat the disease next. One step at a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 What about Bazooka's, Signed & Delivered. The only mistake Tony Martin made was to have an unlicensed gun. The only mistake TM made was miss the second one, probally wouldn't have heard about it if he hadn't. BJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 Deadline to sign up by: 17 November 2007 – In 33 States in the US, the relegalisation of handguns has caused crime rates to fall substantially. In the UK, it should be criminals rather than citizens who walk in fear. I call upon the Prime Minister to relegalise ownership and carrying of handguns, after passing a training qualification, by any adult with no history of violence or mental instability. what a good idear, in the states where they can do it the grime rate has gone down, that law will never pass over here not in this nanny state, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theskyfox Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 There are a lot of interesting issues raised here. I don't think its a good idea to let people carry concealed handguns out on the streets - what if someone is drunk and does something stupid? I could see it going horribly wrong. However I do agree with the right to own a handgun in the home or for that matter the right to defend yourself by any means necessary in the home. I think if this were to ever pass through law, all police would have to be armed first. By the looks of things theyre not gonna arm all police yet and theyre all the "good guys" so I dont think itl happen. -Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 The only reason crime has gone down, is because all the gangs have been shooting each other to shreds. No more handguns, wont sign it. Im happy with stalking rifles, I see no need for handguns. No offence to anyone, dont mean to kick off an argument.. but I really dont think its a good idea. All this talk of self deffence? if everyone has a gun, everyone needs a gun to protect themselfs, the good old American way. Il leave any issues of armed intruders, to the armed police, who handle issues like this profesionally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 the handgun should never have been banned its all thought some nut who should never have had a licence, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the last engineer Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 The only reason crime has gone down, is because all the gangs have been shooting each other to shreds. No more handguns, wont sign it. Im happy with stalking rifles, I see no need for handguns. No offence to anyone, dont mean to kick off an argument.. but I really dont think its a good idea. All this talk of self deffence? if everyone has a gun, everyone needs a gun to protect themselfs, the good old American way. Il leave any issues of armed intruders, to the armed police, who handle issues like this profesionally. from what i hear from this site the "profesionals" as you call them have caused a whole can of greif to many a shooter out in the field in pursuit of their "legal" sport as i recall a thread mentioning many a "swat team style entrance" causing many a quivering Sphincter. as to handguns being legaly carried in the UK, NO, you dont have the society that requires the need of a self defence handgun, and you certanly dont want to start one, Dickson of Dock Green will sufice . banning the use of handguns in the UK was a mistake, to condem all user's because of some muppet going postal is stupid, but governments have to be seen to do "the right thing" for the people, next you'll see all cars banned because someone may get killed over a drunk driver,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, oh yes all government gooks drive dont they, sheetcan that one then. I live here in Canada, handguns are part of this society, and gun crimes are certanly not a new thing to this country, there is no carry licence here as in the states (some of them not all) should there be, i'm not a 100% sure, would i like one and would i carry, YES, crimes involving weapons here is on the increase, and untill this and other countrys governments step up to the bloody plate and set a time for the crime's they will continue to climb. do i beleive i have the right to defend myself and her indoors, of cource i do, will i use any of my handguns for such purpose ,,,,,,,,,,they are there ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but lets hope i never have to find out. Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browningstalker10g Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 at the end of the day most but the crazy criminals would think twice about mugging or robbing people when theres a chance the could be packing a hand cannon or 2, RELEGALISE handguns!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 as to handguns being legaly carried in the UK, NO, you dont have the society that requires the need of a self defence handgun, and you certanly dont want to start one, Dickson of Dock Green will sufice . Martin Dixon of Dock Green good grief no wonder you're the 'last engineer' you must be ancient or do they still play repeats of that in Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the last engineer Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 as to handguns being legaly carried in the UK, NO, you dont have the society that requires the need of a self defence handgun, and you certanly dont want to start one, Dickson of Dock Green will sufice . Martin Dixon of Dock Green good grief no wonder you're the 'last engineer' you must be ancient or do they still play repeats of that in Canada cheeky lil ***, point taken though, ok so "Z" cars then http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/Z/htmlZ/zcars/zcars.htm Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browningstalker10g Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 lets clear some facts up, your just as likely to get stabed or shot being armed or unarmed, a friend of mine, train home from uni, glances at a guy arguing with a girl, the guy stabs him for no reason was he armed no, was he a threat no, he was killed for glancing at someone making a scene, we should be allowed to own hand guns, im not so sure about concealment, and if we were allowed handguns then the vetting period and standard must be rigorous, and i think the people who want handguns shoul pay more for there liscences so the police cant say the extra checks would cost tax payers money, also anyone with a criminal record wouldnt be able to get one, the current laws stop alot of the unstable legaly getting hold of guns, why would seth armstrong no previous criminal convictions, no run ins with the law, happy loving father of 2 and grandfather of 4,so why would he suddenly shoot someone during a road rage event just because he has a handgun? having a gun wont make people sudenly become postal, but lets just say billy braggin wannab gangster, career criminal, has a knife in his glove box, old seth hits his car, billy gets out and harrases seth with a knife, seth fears for his life in his car, if he had a gun producing the gun and pointing it at billy should make him back off, if not seth fears for his life, seth pops one in him, there u have one dead or ingured scum bag criminal no loss to anyone as apposed to one dead law abiding loving father and grandfather, would that be a better result, yes i think it would, and it would take the strain off of the over crowded prison system, the criminals, the ones are laws stop owning gun, well shock horror, they can get hold of lots of gun as easy as we can order a take away, were theres a will theres away, there are certain people in this country who arent violent gang members but wouldnt be able to get a gun now legaly, so why wud they be able to get a handgun if they were legal, if hand guns were legal and there was a proper system of checking out applicants thoroughly it would be people like u and i owning them, not dtom **** and harry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 at the end of the day most but the crazy criminals would think twice about mugging or robbing people when theres a chance the could be packing a hand cannon or 2, RELEGALISE handguns!!! They never have been legal in the context of this vote. Theres a huge difference between range shooting and carrying them day to day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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