castletyne Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 That's my point, the factors that lead to abuse are not down to race or religion or money or status and if it is to be tackled we need to loose this " divide and conquer" racist attitude that is being portrayed by the media, singling out one group of people has done nothing historically to stop this happening to date and never will (but it sells papers ) we need to view all and any peadophiles the same and find a way to treat the cause of the problem rather than the western philosophy we seem to carry of finding a sticky plaster to cover the wound, we have been accustomed to treating the symptoms of things rather than finding the cause and treating that , and religious preferences and skin colours are clearly not the cause here , my post above wasn't cut and pasted from any media , I don't think I have ever read the guardian Same old **** this is one of the reason the country is like it is Its the press who has twisted it around I think its people with views like yours that twist it around to find any excuse not to blame them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karpman Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 That's my point, the factors that lead to abuse are not down to race or religion or money or status and if it is to be tackled we need to loose this " divide and conquer" racist attitude that is being portrayed by the media, singling out one group of people has done nothing historically to stop this happening to date and never will (but it sells papers ) we need to view all and any peadophiles the same and find a way to treat the cause of the problem rather than the western philosophy we seem to carry of finding a sticky plaster to cover the wound, we have been accustomed to treating the symptoms of things rather than finding the cause and treating that , and religious preferences and skin colours are clearly not the cause here , my post above wasn't cut and pasted from any media , I don't think I have ever read the guardian I beg to differ and the article is not just about peadophiles it directly targets the Stone Age attitude of the larger Muslim culture has towards women. There is abuse led in certain religions, take female circumcision for instance and arranged marriage. Appaling and barbic yet still practised among certain relgions and even in *Great Britain* Karpman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Same old **** this is one of the reason the country is like it is Its the press who has twisted it around I think its people with views like yours that twist it around to find any excuse not to blame them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 That's my point, the factors that lead to abuse are not down to race or religion or money or status and if it is to be tackled we need to loose this " divide and conquer" racist attitude that is being portrayed by the media, singling out one group of people has done nothing historically to stop this happening to date and never will (but it sells papers ) we need to view all and any peadophiles the same and find a way to treat the cause of the problem rather than the western philosophy we seem to carry of finding a sticky plaster to cover the wound, we have been accustomed to treating the symptoms of things rather than finding the cause and treating that , and religious preferences and skin colours are clearly not the cause here , my post above wasn't cut and pasted from any media , I don't think I have ever read the guardian The factor that lead to the abuse is exactly race and religion ! Muslim religion dictates that woman or worthless and their only purpose is to serve men, so these sick gangs probably see what they are doing as a little bit naughty but not that wrong. Imagine the chaos and paper coverage if there were gangs of white guys going round raping black girls in Bradford or other so called "multi cultured" towns in britain ? Riots and cities burning would ensue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieh Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 What do you expect when their greatest prophet mohammed was a paedophile it has been part of the muslim culture for thousands of years. Geordie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 (edited) Isabella was married to Edward II at the age of 12. Personally I don't think that these cases involving mostly Pakistani (but all muslim) men is paedophllia in it's true sense, although it involves underage girls. I don't think that the individuals in question have a prediliction for children it's just happens to be that 'at risk' white juvenile girls are the easiest for them to procure and more compliant. White girls are seen to be a lower order of person, even more so than women/girls from their own culture and a hell of a lot easier. Plus they are simply not allowed to do the same with girls from their culture and the community, who I'm sure are aware in one way or another of what has been going on, would not allow it amongst there own. What do you expect when their greatest prophet mohammed was a paedophile it has been part of the muslim culture for thousands of years.Geordie Edited May 16, 2013 by Penelope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karpman Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Isabella was married to Edward II at the age of 12. Personally I don't think that these cases involving mostly Pakistani (but all muslim) men is paedophllia in it's true sense, although it involves underage girls. I don't think that the individuals in question have a prediliction for children it's just happens to be that 'at risk' white juvenile girls are the easiest for them to procure and more compliant. White girls are seen to be a lower order of person, even more so than women/girls from their own culture and a hell of a lot easier. Plus they are simply not allowed to do the same with girls from their culture and the community, who I'm sure are aware in one way or another of what has been going on, would not allow it amongst there own. Lets not delve into history it's far removed or should be in current times, white girls are of lower order? So there the racists. Karpman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 (edited) IMO of course, race is a huge part in these cases. All white girls are slags (in the eyes of the gangs), that's why they target them. The Isabella/Edward comment was just to show that things were different in history, and our lot were comparable to what other cultures were up to way back. Lets not delve into history it's far removed or should be in current times, white girls are of lower order? So there the racists.Karpman Edited May 16, 2013 by Penelope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tignme Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Niall, i cannot PM you,will you PM me. Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 imagine what this place will be like in 50 years, no, i mean really imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castletyne Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Many parts are already **** holes that look like something out of Pakistan or benefit towns It will just have spread to other parts of the UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted May 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 credit to this imam for not dodging the issue: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10061217/Imams-promote-grooming-rings-Muslim-leader-claims.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 The cure remains within that culture / religion in the form of educating and freeing their women. It's not that simple when going to school can get you shot. They can't all go to school in Lewisham surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Yep, the man should be congratulated for stating the truth. credit to this imam for not dodging the issue: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10061217/Imams-promote-grooming-rings-Muslim-leader-claims.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Echoing a thread some months ago, not all Muslim men are Paedophiles, it's a small proportion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Channel 4 next Thursday, 23rd May are showing a documentary at 9pm all about this Oxford mob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 IMO of course, race is a huge part in these cases. All white girls are slags (in the eyes of the gangs), that's why they target them. This then also begs the question why does our society allow 10-12 year old girls to think it OK to form a relationship with older men? It isn`t just because of their background of social care and broken homes as we now have main stream children of similar ages sexting and engaging in sexual acts with their peers. Again before anyone starts I do not condone the actions of paedophiles I am simply asking where has our society gone wrong when children think it is OK to behave like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Well,I don't think that society does accept or allow it in general. As for your 2nd question, that IMO, is the fault of the media, advertising and music industries in part, although ultimately, parents. This then also begs the question why does our society allow 10-12 year old girls to think it OK to form a relationship with older men? It isn`t just because of their background of social care and broken homes as we now have main stream children of similar ages sexting and engaging in sexual acts with their peers. Again before anyone starts I do not condone the actions of paedophiles I am simply asking where has our society gone wrong when children think it is OK to behave like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 This then also begs the question why does our society allow 10-12 year old girls to think it OK to form a relationship with older men? It isn`t just because of their background of social care and broken homes as we now have main stream children of similar ages sexting and engaging in sexual acts with their peers. Again before anyone starts I do not condone the actions of paedophiles I am simply asking where has our society gone wrong when children think it is OK to behave like this? I think it's as Penelope says, the media, advertising and ultimately the parents that want to be a friend to their children rather than a parent. This affects all classes and is something I have discussions with my 8yr old daughter about when she asks for a phone (no way), a bikini for the summer ( again no) and her own laptop ( no) I agree with the muslims who do not want to see scantily clad females on billboards around the place. I also accept that this is modern life but I don't have to like it. I am not a prude ( far from it) and as far as I am concerned, consenting adults can do what they want to each other behind closed doors, but lets keep it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Nice to see some considered responses, thanks guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 The Hunt for Britain's Sex Gangs. Did anyone watch it? Available on Channel 4's On Demand facility. Poor, poor girls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 yep not good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 I'm seething!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 Some rather sensitive post deletions on this thread, kind of makes you wonder if our own fear of the whole race thing is all part of he overall problem?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 they probably dont want things said that may lead them to believe they could end up having to pick up the soap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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