sandersj89 Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 OK, subject to getting my hands on one to see how it feels in the flesh I think I am opting for a CZ American with a 16†barrel. A local gun shot has CZ 527 listed at £285 brand new with standard length barrel. (F.A. Anderson Gunsmiths East Grinstead) But then it comes onto accessories and tuning. First off I will need to cut the barrel down, how much does this normally cost? Then for mod I will go for either a SAK or ASE Utra. I assume that when I get the barrel cut it will also need threading for the mod? Is the cost of this included in the barrel cut normally? I also understand the trigger kit is well worth looking into, are these easy to install and is Brookes the best? I will add a Harris Bipod as that can also be used on my Air Arms 410 Carbine. Finally the question of scope. The range in prices seems to be huge but I don’t want to go OTT at this stage. I want a decent Mil Dot scope with illuminated reticule. Can you guys give me some ideas what to look at and price? Also anything else I should be thinking about such as a sling? Thanks Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plexer Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 What's a 1.77? do you mean a .17hmr? Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussex lad Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 Jerry, The last barrel i had chopped and threaded by Andersons cost me £75 including proofing. The ASE is the better mod but costs more, so thats your call really. Bipods, Harris is the only way to go the are quite simply the best. And scopes, every has their opinions of which is the best .But get out there and look through as many as you can and choose. If you where to spend between £100 and £200 you will get something really quite good The guys in Andersons will point you in the right way Best RFD in Sussex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 not aware of the 527 beign avalible in HMR your talking about the 452 or 453 Either way, andersons are the shop to go to about it, best gunshop in this area in my opinion, also one of the cheapest. You can now get a timney (or is it jewel???) trigger for the cz 452, however this requires very slight modification of the stock inletting and costs more than the cheap and equally effective brooks kit. The brooks kit is easy enough to do, however is best off being installed by a gunsmith, andersons stock this kit normally so can advise you on their policy regarding installing it. As for scopes, the Nikko sterling night eater is a popular choice, however bushnell elites, meopta, leupold vx111's would all be in the region of £200. Depends what you want. Again andersons will sort you out. Personally i would go with the SAK and spend the left over on ammo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshruger Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 I've had my CZ .17 HMR for a few weeks now, its the full length barrel, there were no 16" ones around when I bought mine. Its one hell of a rifle and I'm happy with the full length barrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 I've just put a deposit on my Sako Quad Duo, When I went in I said I wanted a 15" barrel for the HMR but the guy told me about the site below and urged me to opt for 18" as it's supposed to be the best compromise between distance and foot pound spread Vs weight and manouvreability. HMR field test I sort of agreed but studied the site carefully at home the next day and found that the tightest spread was from a 15" barrel - and my shooting buddy has a thumbhole Annie in 15" and swears by it. I tried to get the order altered but may have been too late. I am also considering weight and manouvreability as I'm over 50, now limping and slowing down a tad. The relevant part is about a third of the way down in the "Bullberry Barrel Length vs. Velocity DATA" I would not like to try and figure the difference in performance of the stainless steel Bullberry barrel and the ones most of us would use. The above is meant as a helpfull source of information rather than an informed opinion of mine... I have not yet owned a 17 It appears to me that if you propose to use it at its outer limits frequently then 18" may be for you? My intention is to use it mainly on foot within 75~125 yards, and only occasionally lay up with it for beyond that distance on a bipod which suggests 15" might suit me better. ATB, Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandersj89 Posted November 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 The guys in Andersons will point you in the right way Best RFD in Sussex Thanks, that is good to know, I hope to pop along later this week for a look see. Jerry not aware of the 527 beign avalible in HMR your talking about the 452 or 453 Either way, andersons are the shop to go to about it, best gunshop in this area in my opinion, also one of the cheapest. You can now get a timney (or is it jewel???) trigger for the cz 452, however this requires very slight modification of the stock inletting and costs more than the cheap and equally effective brooks kit. The brooks kit is easy enough to do, however is best off being installed by a gunsmith, andersons stock this kit normally so can advise you on their policy regarding installing it. As for scopes, the Nikko sterling night eater is a popular choice, however bushnell elites, meopta, leupold vx111's would all be in the region of £200. Depends what you want. Again andersons will sort you out. Personally i would go with the SAK and spend the left over on ammo. Hmmm, it is listed as 527 on the web site, maybe an error of their part? http://www.faanderson.co.uk/Rifles/CZ.html Looks like a visit will be well worth it to pick their brains on trigger kit and scope. Thanks Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_HMR Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Badly set out website the .17hmr your looking at comes under the heading "american" but has a description of a 527 The .17hmr comes in either 452 or 453 difference being the set trigger And the models available afaik are the american, varmint, fullstock and possibly lux but im not certain Id def go with a SAK moderator ASE are only about 10% quieter and twice the price. As for bipods harris was already mentioned And for the trigger kit a brookie kit is the only way to go timney are good but requires extra inletting and are more expensive brooks kit will do that same job for 10pounds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckytrigger Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 My 'american' has a barrel shortened to 15'which cost £45 at a local gun smiths. The sako mod does a good job. I personally begrudge spending the money on a ase ultra or equivalant as im happy with the sako. I only hunt with the american and still manage mutiple bunnies on occasion even with the crack of the hmr's bullet. I have a Harris bipod which is the best imho. Scope wise i have a nikon buckmaster mill dot which really is excellent but before that had a simmons 44 mag which did a good job Good luck with the purchase of your hmr. If your like me you will have a big smile on your face everytime you use it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandersj89 Posted November 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 This evening I spent an enjoyable 45 minutes with the people at FA Andersons in East Grinstead where I got my hands in a CZ American. I was surprised at it's weight or rather how light it was and liked the look of it. They seem very happy to recommend it with a SAK Mod and a Brookes Trigger kit so I think this is going down on my ticket I hope. They were very happy to let me handle a number of rifles such as Sako and so on but I still cant get over the value for money that CZ offer. It seems an ideal tool for long range light shy bunnies. Bit more research required on scope but I think the rifle is sorted. I have to say guys were very good to talk to and even offered to fit a free QD stud to my AA410 carbine so I can use a bipod for both rifles. This is even if I do not buy a .17HMR from them. I can see me going back to them. Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 like alot of us said, they are great guys in there. When one of my dads rifles took an unfortuante tumble they sent us some replacement scope caps for free. When i got my brooks kit from them they they had half a kit lying around so they gave me some extra bits. My CZ was bought for a very low price with a sling included in the price. I have lost count of the number of times my dad has bought guns and scopes from there and everytime its been cheaper than anywhere else and the customer service has been top notch. Phil also put up with 7 or 8 months of constant phonecalls from my dad to ask if his Blaser F3 was instock yet. Good guys there, hopefully stopping in there soonish as my old man has a scope to collect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 I have just spoken to the company... in the link re the error.... it is NOT a 527! The main reason I called is because I am interested in buying one for myself... and brought up that it might be a error... the stock is NOT laminated as described in there site as well. It is a wooden stock. I am thinking about which one.. the only differance between the varmint and the american is weight according the the shop owner.../ worker.... So I will need to decide as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Sorry, I had to edit the title, it was bugging me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandersj89 Posted November 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Sorry, I had to edit the title, it was bugging me. Thanks, I tried but no option! Anyway, I will have my forms in the post by this time next week so then it will be a search for a decent CAT1 Cabinet and await the FLO visit. Jrery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Jerry, I have details of where to get a good deal on a cabinet, i'll pm them to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 Jerry, I have details of where to get a good deal on a cabinet, i'll pm them to you. I know who your gonna reccomend... and hes a top bloke... I got mine from him!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crieffy Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 I am thinking about which one.. the only differance between the varmint and the american is weight according the the shop owner.../ worker.... So I will need to decide as well. The American is a pound or so later I think, but also has a different stock and the receiver is blued. The heavy barreled Varmint has a longer, plain forend and has a matte finish on the receiver. Just to confuse things both have 'American' stamped on the receiver. I've got a Varmint, but if I was buying again I'd go for the American Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 there is also chequering on the forend of the american, which also has higher quality (brighter) blueing on the barrel than the varmint. The american also has no barrel lug and instead has 2 action screws. As opposed to the varmint which has 1 action screw and a barrel lug. The american would be my choice having got a varmint. The accuracy is still there without the varmint barrel, but its a nicer looking and nicer weighted gun than the varmint. still wouldnt swap my varmint in a hurry. Good gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Thanks again for more information.. my head is going to explode... I am just awaiting my cert to come back... (yes already a slot is avaibable... just waiting for my 223 slot to be on ) then I will buy one ... and once my saab is sold... will be buying a 223 so fingers crossed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno 357 Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 If anyone wants a 17 hmr second hand I have a 17hmr CZ American Varmint for sale Jonno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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