Immigrants to UK good

[Sprackles]

Plenty of low paid jobs in this area with very high unemployment.

Also a lot of Polish immigrants doing the lowest paid jobs......not knocking them....I know some personally and they are honest hard workers but with something like 12% unemployment, why does my area need migrants to help the economy as all it is doing here is pushing up the welfare costs.

[Blunderbust]

 

 

 

 

As it was discussed many times before, those romanian beggers are rroma gypsies, not the regular hard working romanian... i'm a romanian immigrant and i work hard and pay my taxes, never claimed a single penny or ever been to the doctor in 6 years of living in UK... i had served 12 years in the armed forces and fought twice for H.M the Queen in Basra , under British command... have i done enough to deserve a place on this island?

Shootgun,

 

I am sorry but you seem to have miss interpreted my statement. If you look you will see that I have put in brackets (as they have been referred to). I did this because I am fully aware of who the people being discusses are and what their back ground is. I could have possibly explained myself better, for that I am sorry.

 

I was in no way trying to make any one feel uncomfortable and was only making a statement. Well done you for your service and the fact that you are a fully paid up member of our society.

[aris]

How can anyone in London live on 8.50 p/h?

[castletyne]

How can anyone in London live on 8.50 p/h?

You advertise the job with a poor wage then anyone living full time in this country paying

 

Rent..rates...gas/electric...feed family will look and say no

 

Along comes a pole living 5 to a house family back home he will do it

 

Then the employer can claim that all Brits are lazy scroungers

[old rooster]

Hmmm, read it all and my question is...................................where are the mods?

 

I'm not suggesting that the topic is invalid, far from it, the implications will affect the very core of our lifestyles but if certain PW members dare to make the kind of comments posted here they are removed.

 

We all know the truth behind the immigration issue, that the overall outcome is cost to us, however that is unacceptable to some, who would rather turn against their own coutrymen when they express an articulate argument against it and the very real dangers it exposes us to.

[shootgun]

How can anyone in London live on 8.50 p/h?

 

You'll be amazed to see how many are on minimum wage...

 

It was not my intention or whatsoever to praise myself for what i've done in the past, i'm just irritated, as all the honest and hard working immigrants are putted in the same pot with some scumbags...

no offence taken, no offence intended ...

[old rooster]

You'll be amazed to see how many are on minimum wage...

 

It was not my intention or whatsoever to praise myself for what i've done in the past, i'm just irritated, as all the honest and hard working immigrants are putted in the same pot with some scumbags...

no offence taken, no offence intended ...

If this thread is allowed to continue it would be very interesting to hear your views. My questions and observations are not made to incite an argument, merely to find how you view the situation, we rarely get the opportunity to do that unfortunately.

 

It is easy to lump everybody who arrives from any particular country into one category but obviously there are exceptions to any rule.

 

As a Romanian do you think that the statistics which suggest that 1/3 of all pickpocketing gangs caught in London are of Romanian origin are false? If not can you understand why some people here are concerned about another unchecked influx from the same country? Whether they represent the majority of immigrants from your country, given their current population ratio relative to all the other people, it does suggest that there is cause for concern?

 

I heard a news comment the other day about Romanians already here suggesting that we shouldn't allow more to come over in an uncontrolled mass, how do you feel about that? As far as I can see there is nothing to stop convicted criminals coming in?

 

You mention that the beggars are roma gypsies and not the hard working normal Romanians, the problem we will face is that they will be just as eligible to come here and may well be attracted by what are seen as rich pickings?

 

This is not a dig at you but if you prefer not to answer I fully understand.

 

I respectfully request the mods to leave this while the discussion remains civilised.

Edited November 6, 2013 by old rooster

[Malik]

I would be able to immigrate regardless of my military service... what i'm trying to say is, at least i've done something for this country.

 

You've probably done more for this country than a lot of people have. Thats the whole problem. People just moan how this country is going down hill. Yet no one really decides to get up and make a difference. Theres stuff out there for people willing to take it.

 

 

It's Iraq you've done something for not England the war was of no benefit to England one way or another, so again no offence but it's of no consequence really.

We went to war because saddam apparently had nuclear weapons... Turns out bush and blair were chatting **** and many innocent people died for no reason. They didnt die in vain. They died protecting our country from an apparent threat to our security.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

An interesting discussion so far, I hope it continues and doesn't go the way of so many on here and gets closed by the MODs!

[old rooster]

 

They died protecting our country from an apparent threat to our security.

 

Not strictly true as bliar and bush both knew full well that there were no weapons of mass destruction there, I'm still amazed that they weren't both tried for war crimes to be honest.

 

Whether the country is better off without saddam is another story altogether I guess.

[Zapp]

I respectfully request the mods to leave this while the discussion remains civilised.

Of course it will remain open as long as it stays sensible.

 

If members choose to turn it into yet another chimpanzees tea party, it will be locked. To address your earlier comment about members who "dare to voice an opinion", there are some (and it is usually the same ones) who will jump on any chance to drag topics into the gutter, thereby ruining any chance of a sensible debate. Remember to thank them if they do the same to this thread.

 

The ball is in your court Gents.

[old rooster]

Of course it will remain open as long as it stays sensible.

 

If members choose to turn it into yet another chimpanzees tea party, it will be locked. To address your earlier comment about members who "dare to voice an opinion", there are some (and it is usually the same ones) who will jump on any chance to drag topics into the gutter, thereby ruining any chance of a sensible debate. Remember to thank them if they do the same to this thread.

 

The ball is in your court Gents.

 

Pleased to hear it!! We can't just keep brushing these issues under the carpet but I can understand how difficult it can get to keep things on an even keel from the moderators point of view.

 

By the way, I think you've actually misquoted me you naughty old Hector!!

[castletyne]

 

 

You've probably done more for this country than a lot of people have. Thats the whole problem. People just moan how this country is going down hill. Yet no one really decides to get up and make a difference. Theres stuff out there for people willing to take it.

 

 

 

We went to war because saddam apparently had nuclear weapons... Turns out bush and blair were chatting **** and many innocent people died for no reason. They didnt die in vain. They died protecting our country from an apparent threat to our security.

All most people want is tighter controls to numbers coming in

 

unlike most other countries we have a benifets system and a NHS

 

Hospitals are already at bursting point

[shootgun]

i do have a view about your points raised old rooster, and i'll came back with it later on as i'm on iphone right now.

Thanks Malik!

[aris]

You'll be amazed to see how many are on minimum wage...

 

Minimum wage might be OK if you're living with your parents - or live in an area of the country where rents are lower, but in London, that is not a subsistence wage. I'm guessing someone on that wage is being subsidised in one way or another by the taxpayer too.

[four-wheel-drive]

One of the things that gets me annoyed is when they say that we need people like doctors and nurses and other skilled people from other countries to work in our hospitals when what they are really saying is we are failing to educate our young people to do these jobs I think that if young people choose to go in to certain professions that the country needs they should not have to pay to go to university with the caveat that they have to work in this country for at least ten years or pay back the money that was spent training them this would perhaps have the affect of diverting some people from doing courses aiming at working on banks and the like.

[old rooster]

One of the things that gets me annoyed is when they say that we need people like doctors and nurses and other skilled people from other countries to work in our hospitals when what they are really saying is we are failing to educate our young people to do these jobs I think that if young people choose to go in to certain professions that the country needs they should not have to pay to go to university with the caveat that they have to work in this country for at least ten years or pay back the money that was spent training them this would perhaps have the affect of diverting some people from doing courses aiming at working on banks and the like.

 

Very true, we saw the decline in sensible further education going on during the bliar years, stuff the kids into university whatever pointless degree they chose to take to get them off the unemployed list, we are now reaping the inevitable rewards of that careless approach!.

 

There is still far too much emphasis put on university education when what we really need is a return to a balanced system that allows youngsters to learn a trade properly. Many borrow to pay their fees but never get a job as a result of their years at university so never have to repay the student loans.

 

It must be difficult for youngsters to get enthusiastic about working prospects with the amount of unemployment we have but in some respects it confirms the need to educate them into valid professions and offer some protection to those that choose to do that from economic immigrants after the same jobs? If that can't somehow be done and be seen to be done how can we expect to motivate the young??

[TIGHTCHOKE]

_{So let's return to the old way of selective education, those that are worthy should be moved upwards.}

[Gimlet]

Perhaps the OP could tell us specifically which news item or report he refers to in his opening post. There has indeed been a report into the effect of EU migration to Britain published recently which has been heavily publicised by the BBC. It has been heavily publicised by the BBC because it was commissioned and compiled by the BBC through its charity wing which receives substantial annual donations from the EU Commission under the pretext of promoting peace and cooperation across Europe, or disseminating propaganda to use more accurate language. This report was in effect funded and co-authered by the EU Commission itself which ought to place its statistically unsupported but rhetorically embellished findings into pretty clear context.

Could the OP clear this up, just so everyone knows which particular myths they're busting?

Edited November 6, 2013 by Gimlet

[old rooster]

_{So let's return to the old way of selective education, those that are worthy should be moved upwards.}

 

Drifting off topic a bit here but.......

 

We can no longer have "selective" anything, which is part of the overall problem. We just can't accept that some people aren't as academic as others which is an indisputable fact I'm afraid. Personally speaking I did very poorly at skool, despite having attended a grammar school, I did however fare much better at technical college on a course that suited my vocation in engineering. Trouble is those technical colleges got closed down so less and less people have been able to take up apprenticeships. That is made worse by the ludicrous levels of employment legislation we've adopted making the taking on of apprentices much less attractive and so down go the opportunities early on.

 

I took my lad to get on a plumbing course when he left school and the place was mobbed, unfortunately some places were given to kids who had no intention of making use of the course just to get them off the streets, they gradually fell by the wayside but those places were lost to other kids who really wanted them.

 

There isn't a fast fix IMVHO but something tangible needs to be done to reverse the situation.

[Penelope]

God forbid!

 

What ever will the liberal left think about their beloved 'let's bring everybody down to the same level' policies being chucked out as the rubbish they are.

 

Very, very T.I.C!

_{So let's return to the old way of selective education, those that are worthy should be moved upwards.}

[Penelope]

I laughed when I listened to the overtly biased reporting of the subject on the BBC London News at 6:30pm, a bastion of diversityand enforced demographic affirmative action (Can't remember when I saw a presenter of indigenous stock on there).

 

Perhaps the OP could tell us specifically which news item or report he refers to in his opening post. There has indeed been a report into the effect of EU migration to Britain published recently which has been heavily publicised by the BBC. It has been heavily publicised by the BBC because it was commissioned and compiled by the BBC through its charity wing which receives substantial annual donations from the EU Commission under the pretext of promoting peace and cooperation across Europe, or disseminating propaganda to use more accurate language. This report was in effect funded and co-authered by the EU Commission itself which ought to place its statistically unsupported but rhetorically embellished findings into pretty clear context.

Could the OP clear this up, just so everyone knows which particular myths they're busting?

[old rooster]

BBC, biased? How could you think that?

 

(very T.I.C.)

[TIGHTCHOKE]

 

Drifting off topic a bit here but.......

 

 

 

Fancy me going OFF TOPIC in the OFF TOPIC Section of this wonderfully Moderated Forum!!!!!

[Penelope]

And Channel 4 is the training ground for all the little BBC'ites.

 

BBC, biased? How could you think that?

 

(very T.I.C.)