center fire rifles

[jcbruno]

I am curious in the UK is their regulation on what you can have for center fire rifles do to space limitations, or are most of you shooting 223,222,243 just because your deer are smaller in size?

 

 

 

I was just wondering if i were to come to the UK and i brought my 30-06 or my 7mm rem mag would people think i am crazy B)

[red_stag88]

I am curious in the UK is their regulation on what you can have for center fire rifles do to space limitations, or are most of you shooting 223,222,243 just because your deer are smaller in size?

 

 

 

I was just wondering if i were to come to the UK and i brought my 30-06 or my 7mm rem mag would people think i am crazy B)

 

The minimum size you can shoot deer in the UK is a .240, but the most common calibers are the .243, .308 and .270

 

The fact people use the smaller calibers is due to both restriction and quarry. The police will not grant you a .308 if you state is only for fox control. They prefer you to use a centerfire .22. It does also depend on the land you shooting onto, I was not granted a .308 at my local stalking but I was for some other stalking I have elsewhere. People will not ask too many questions if you shoot a .30-06. My old man uses one for all his stalking, reds on the hill, fallow in the wood and roe too. I do think it is overkill for roe however.

 

Have fun,

 

Johnny

[henry d]

The minimum size you can shoot deer in the UK is a .240, but the most common calibers are the .243, .308 and .270

Not quite,the 22cf`s can be used for roe in Scotland and there are rumours of a similar thing for England and Wales.

It is also to do with muzzle velocity and energy,but I can`t remember the exact No`s.

[red_stag88]

The minimum size you can shoot deer in the UK is a .240, but the most common calibers are the .243, .308 and .270

Not quite,the 22cf`s can be used for roe in Scotland and there are rumours of a similar thing for England and Wales.

It is also to do with muzzle velocity and energy,but I can`t remember the exact No`s.

 

 

Sorry yes you are right. It is down to certain amounts of energy at the end so some 22cfs are can be used but most people stick to a .243 up as a generalisation.

[njc110381]

I'm still trying to get my head round the scotland/england rule. You can use some .22cf there, but has to be .240 minimum here? Why is that? If it's humane there, it's humane here too! Stupid rules! :look:

[Big Dog]

It the same in N. Ireland. .240 min. We don't have Roe

[red_stag88]

I'm still trying to get my head round the scotland/england rule. You can use some .22cf there, but has to be .240 minimum here? Why is that? If it's humane there, it's humane here too! Stupid rules! :yp:

 

I belive the thinking is that if you shoot at a roe on the hill with a .22cf, and dont do the job properly, you are more likely to be able to hit it with a second round. If you wing one in a dense forest in england with a .223 you are less likely to get it with a second one. A .243 is going to do more damage and stop quicker. If you do fluff up it will also leave a better blood trail.

 

That is my belife, it may be incorrect though.

 

Incidentally over here in nz, you can hunt any species in any are provided it is a cf cailiber - this includes the huge wapati in the dense beech forests of fiordland, which is suprising to say the least (though no one would try killing one with a .223 it is leagle)

[Dunkield]

That is my belife, it may be incorrect though.

 

It's even easier than that Red, the BDS are currently stopping it for England and Wales but presumabley they didn't/don't have the clout in Scotland.

 

One thing that doesn't seem to get discussed on this issue.

Say, next week it was OK to shoot Roe/Muntjac/CWD with a .22 C/F in England.

Presumably all the .22 owners who had deer on their land have to send their FAC's in for that variation to be added. Imagine the paperwork backlog then!

[Paul223]

http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/consult/...onsultation.pdf

 

Here's the consultation paper, chapter 3 deals with .22cf

[DaveK]

I'm still trying to get my head round the scotland/england rule. You can use some .22cf there, but has to be .240 minimum here? Why is that? If it's humane there, it's humane here too! Stupid rules! :yp:

 

 

Theres all sorts that you'd find difficult to get your head round.

 

1. Its legal to shoot ducks on a Sunday in some parts of England but not in others

2. A certificate holder cannot legally shoot someone elses rifle in the field but a non cert holder can under supervision.

 

Anyone got any others?

[red_stag88]

The one which got me was when they wanted to put the supervison age up for airguns, I could have walked around with a shotgun but wouldn't be able to use a .177 without my dad being there

[henry d]

I belive the thinking is that if you shoot at a roe on the hill with a .22cf, and dont do the job properly, you are more likely to be able to hit it with a second round. If you wing one in a dense forest in england with a .223 you are less likely to get it with a second one.

So by definition we have no dense forests in Scotland I have never lost a roe with my .222 and the only one that ran any distance,shot at <20m,was found dead by my spaniel.

BTW - roe are not deer of the open hill and if they are seen they are hunted mercilessly.

[red_stag88]

I belive the thinking is that if you shoot at a roe on the hill with a .22cf, and dont do the job properly, you are more likely to be able to hit it with a second round. If you wing one in a dense forest in england with a .223 you are less likely to get it with a second one.

So by definition we have no dense forests in Scotland I have never lost a roe with my .222 and the only one that ran any distance,shot at <20m,was found dead by my spaniel.

BTW - roe are not deer of the open hill and if they are seen they are hunted mercilessly.

 

As I said, it was my belife.

 

I didn't say it was correct.