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On 29/07/2018 at 00:33, impala59 said:

Doing!!! Is the noise a spring makes as it flies away to be lost forever ? perhaps your spellcheck has a sense of humour!

seriously though, it’s probably worth trying some other cartridges if only to eliminate them from the equation 

Bought some diffrent ones for the weekend

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Interestingly, absolutely zero response from any of my enquiries regarding the Impala semi auto. This includes the manufacturer, Istanbul Silah (I discovered from my own research) After that discovery I then realised that they also made the Winchester SX series and that the Impala is, it appears, a simplified clone of the SX, without the self regulating gas piston. Now maybe the Impala was too similar to the SX and the manufacturer was forced to discontinue as they now make the Impala Plus which is a 'kinetic' operated semi. There does seem to be a Russian connection with Baikal, so maybe the production was for that market primarily.

Anyway, we shall see how it performs on Sunday, and if it works ok and its the only one in the country, then I shall have something unique! and if it is as good as the SX is reputed then its a result!

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On 29/07/2018 at 00:33, impala59 said:

Doing!!! Is the noise a spring makes as it flies away to be lost forever ? perhaps your spellcheck has a sense of humour!

seriously though, it’s probably worth trying some other cartridges if only to eliminate them from the equation 

Bought some diffrent ones for the weekend

If weather don't change Sunday is the day!

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Well the Impala semi auto shoots like a dream! I purposely started with a mixed bag of cartridges and had zero failures of any sort. It is soft shooting, softer than my 1187 anyway and is light and well balanced. The light weight prevented my usual overswing and generally it was a delight to shoot. Loading is a breeze with no gate lock and the only thing at first that seemed a little odd was seeing the brass of the next shell protruding about a quarter inch from the magazine tube. This is due to the shell being held by a tab on the bottom of the bolt that is also the release tab for the charging handle when taking the gun down. It is somewhat similar to the system employed on Savage/Stevens pumps to prep the next round before cycling and it works faultlessly. I unfortunately did not have any 21g cartridges, but it cycled from 24g to 32g without missing a beat. 

All in all its a gun that I will probably hang on to, as I often take my daughters for a round of clays and this will be an ideal tool for them to use as it is very forgiving and easy to use (they are not so keen on my pumps and doubles!) So a bargain basement price, a decent shooter and a general all round result!

Anyone looking for a starter Semi could do much worse than one of these (if you can find one of course)

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Update.....

I have now heard from the manufacturer of the Impala, Istanbul Silah . Apparently produced in the '90s it was the first semi that they made, which makes mine 20+ years old which is a little surprising as it is in mint condition inside and out. The company do not make gas operated guns anymore, concentrating on inertia types. The chap who responded did indicate that they would be able to supply spares if needed and also promised to email schematics etc when the factory re-opens after their summer break.

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I admit to being a big advocate of semi auto shotguns they suit my needs and for wildfowl and vermin tend to be my preferred choice much of the time.

I  currently have three 12 bore semis , a franchi 48A magnum 3 inch mag 32 inch  a Baikal MP153 28 inch barrel  and a Browning B80 28 inch .  I have a 26 inch Hatsan Escort in 20 bore and a Browning gold light 10 bore 28 inch.

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Hi,

I have a Beretta extrema 3.5" Synthetic and I love it. Will cycle anything I put thru it, from 32gm 2.5" game carts, 70mm 28gn clay carts as well as the 3" and 3.5" steel carts used for wildfowling and duck flighting.

The only thing I have a slight issue with is the distance it throws the empties, especially when on an evening duck flight, and I can hardly find them sometimes. The next time there in daylight they are glaryingly obvious just lying in the reeds around the pond. Is there any sort of "shell catcher" net or bag thing that can be used to catch these.

Cheers

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I saw a fellow shooting skeet once who had a thin piece of plastic affixed to the top of his receiver with double sided tape, sticking out about 6" over the ejection port. Whilst it didn't catch the empties, it seemed to place them fairly close to his right foot where he collected them apparently for reloading.

Maybe posing the same question on the DIY page will illicit a solution as there are some very talented crafters on this forum!

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I used to shoot 5 stand with my brother who used an 1100. We just put him on the far right so he wouldn't spit empties at us :D I considered making a brass deflector but as there were only four of us shooting so there was always a space to the right of him for his empties to go!

Not that I'd care if he pinged empties off my £150 Ithaca but whatever!

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I've had a couple of goes at making a case catcher for a semi-auto -

The first one is documented on here somewhere in the DIY forum - bag-type, mounted off a Weaver rail. Worked well enough, but a big intrusion into the right-line. Not too heavy at 7oz.

The second was a copy of a magnetic catcher made by a couple of Dutch guys. This was mounted on a horizontal plate screwed to the side of the action body - again, this worked after a fashion, but heavier loads, coming out faster, tended to miss the magnet. It's also quite heavy - 14oz ish.

Version 3 is combination of the low mounting plate with the bag mounted on top of it. When I finish it, I'll post some photos.

The other night, I made a deflector to fit my pump action: having missed out on a opportunity to buy a BPS, I still need the cases to eject downwards.

The plate is made from 0.9mm Kydex sheet (thermoplastic) and clips around the action body, holding the deflector plate over the ejection port.

Pattern made in card first, then cut out of the Kydex with snips, heated over the stove and folded around the action, then clamped in place with cable ties while it cooled. The result then clips on and off readily, and is held (at the moment) by two cable ties. I will endeavour to come up with a more elegant fastening once I have tested it. The whole thing weighs less than an ounce...

Something similar might well work on a semi auto, although you might need to use thicker grade of Kydex (it goes up to 2.5 mm, I believe.

Again, photos will appear later, when I have taken them, and when I've sorted out the ftp app on my phone!

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Brownells do case catchers for Remington and Beretta.

Case retreival is the only issue I have with an auto.

Lost a couple of empties, in the dying light, this February whilst roost shooting.

Mentioned this to the keeper who appreciated me telling him and said he'd pick them up on his rounds.

For this reason I'll be looking to get some white or yellow, felt wad cartridges for next year.

Tried a case catcher on an auto, a friend had years ago and found it very off putting so I not my cup of tea.

 

 

 

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Still having trouble with my Auto-5... It's gone from sometimes stove piping to very often stove piping. I'm struggling to find info that isn't "check your friction rings" because it's never NOT locked back after firing, it just doesn't quite spit the cartridge out and it gets jammed by the next one. Ejectors/extractors look good and the chamber seems smooth...

Between this and the non-functioning 1100 I feel I'm in opposite-land.

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26 minutes ago, Robertt said:

Whats going on with the 1100 ?

Usually they're easily sorted !

Yeah you'd think so... it's just short-stroking or something. I've done all sorts to try to fix it but with no luck... I'm hoping it's cartridge related. Apparently it's an ancient gun.

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6 minutes ago, Opossum said:

Yeah you'd think so... it's just short-stroking or something. I've done all sorts to try to fix it but with no luck... I'm hoping it's cartridge related. Apparently it's an ancient gun.

Just a thought, are you using the same cartridges in the A5? I am not familiar with that gun but the problem would appear to be a short stroke also

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1 minute ago, impala59 said:

Just a thought, are you using the same cartridges in the A5? I am not familiar with that gun but the problem would appear to be a short stroke also

Yes, but the A5 is long recoil so by the time it even tries to eject, the bolt has fully travelled rearwards and locked happily in place. It's the barrel going forward that does the ejecting. I'm thinking maybe the cartridges are sticky (Hull Superfast), but in either gun I've not found a cartridge that works 100%

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3 minutes ago, Opossum said:

Yes, but the A5 is long recoil so by the time it even tries to eject, the bolt has fully travelled rearwards and locked happily in place. It's the barrel going forward that does the ejecting. I'm thinking maybe the cartridges are sticky (Hull Superfast), but in either gun I've not found a cartridge that works 100%

I, unfortunately am also not familiar with Hull superfast, does the 'fast' refer to muzzle velocity or powder burn? what I have found is that some fast burning powders are all 'bang' with sharp recoil characteristics, whereas other slower burners give more of a push and less 'crack' Cycling with each is totally different (imho)

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8 minutes ago, impala59 said:

I, unfortunately am also not familiar with Hull superfast, does the 'fast' refer to muzzle velocity or powder burn? what I have found is that some fast burning powders are all 'bang' with sharp recoil characteristics, whereas other slower burners give more of a push and less 'crack' Cycling with each is totally different (imho)

 Think it’s muzzle velocity, but it might be a marketing thing :D i think we had slightly better luck with Fiocchi Fblacks. I tend to cheap out with cartridges as I didn’t think it’d cause massive problems. I might put a box of more expensive stuff next time to try.

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With hook extraction guns, (pumps and autos) in my opinion, the cartridge is crucial. I have found that Bornaghi Whites (21g, 24g, 28g )work well in all my guns, but, Bornaghi Blacks (28g)have better recoil characteristics and just feel better all round. They are about £30 a thousand more expensive though. So I keep some for competitions but generally save money with the cheaper option. The "brass" height is, again in my opinion, another crucial area for hook extractors and I won't use anything less than 12mm, or for that matter over 25mm 'high brass' as these seem to have their own foibles. I have a carrier bag of failed ammunition experiments from many manufacturers that gets taken to the clay range now and then for the double guns to digest!

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