6shot Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Don't put to much pressure on yourself mate just enjoy being out and about. It's not the gun it's the who's behind it. I don't mean that in a bad way. I've been roost shooting when the winds been blowing hard the pigeons have been coming in flat out and I've missed every thing but enjoyed ever minute of it. And then when the good days come you will enjoy it all the more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicdmb Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Unless I've missed it there seems to be no mention of eyesight. your eyes can change over time and affect your shooting. If non of the above helps getting your eyes tested may give you an answer if nothing else it will rule that out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingocatcher Posted February 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 I do enjoy the outings a lot but i love a clean kill and it annoys me when i'm not getting them. I haven't had my eyes tested in a while but i haven't noticed any change in them in other aspects of life that said it could be eyes ok as i'm only ever getting older! I'm gonna try the pattern plate with one ind of shell through a few chokes and see where i'm hitting compared to where my eyes is aiming and see what happens Thanks again for all the replies its nice to know theres a bit of help out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicdmb Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 The reason I mentioned eyes is that I found to my surprise that I'm slightly long sighted. I had not noticed any change, and it was only as a result of getting rust and petrol in my eye. My mother in law is a dispensing optician long story short I had to go get my eye checked. I would not of know otherwise. Eye dominance can be affected by a change in eyesight this can be the cause of otherwise unexplained misses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAV331 Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 I owned a 391 for a good few years. Didn't shoot that well with it, then had a gunsmith look at the fit. Turns out it was cast for a left hander, straight out of the factory! The shim between the stock and action can be flipped over either way to cast it left or right. Worth a check. They also have a far bit of drop, so check that the action isn't obscuring your master eye so much that your other eye is trying to compensate and causing dominence issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingocatcher Posted February 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Need a few shells this week so might just take gun with me to have them take a quick look at it, fir a few £'s it may be well worth it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon controller Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 My nemesis is crow shooting, I have to talk my way into it every shot as I do not give enough lead as they appear to be slow. So it goes like Move, Mount , give a bit more lead, SHOOT. DB my shooting buddy just switches no problem. Changing guns take about five shots to convert . Do not think about it just shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 I owned a 391 for a good few years. Didn't shoot that well with it, then had a gunsmith look at the fit. Turns out it was cast for a left hander, straight out of the factory! The shim between the stock and action can be flipped over either way to cast it left or right. Worth a check. They also have a far bit of drop, so check that the action isn't obscuring your master eye so much that your other eye is trying to compensate and causing dominence issues. Yep, shopping last week and the RFD showed me a Benelli. "This one is cast on", says I. Silence! RFD puts out his hand and I give it back. RFD looks and bursts out laughing. "I've just sold this but have taken it back in and sold the bloke something else as he couldn't hit anything with it. I hadn't noticed and it's going to cost me some cartridges as an apology." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Sounds like shooting in front, if the wad looks like it is likely to hit the bird, given how much faster it slows down that the far heavier shot, the fact that you are killing what you do hit suggests you are hitting the head end with the trailing edge of the shot pattern. It can happen amazingly consistently. A mate of mine and I shot pigeons over decoys one time and decided to keep 20 which we then plucked. Out of all 20 birds plucked not a single one had a pellet in the body so we must have been shooting a bit in front on that day for some reason. Funny thing is we hardly missed any that we shot at. I've found hat once you start to miss you end up over analysing, trying to measure lead etc. rather than naturally swinging through and taking the shot. The other thing that can make a bit of difference is the velocity of cartridges being used, they can vary quite a bit but it is usually noted on the box. Hope you can get it sorted as it can get very frustrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_7 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 also got a al391 mate, before that i was using a nice lightweight 410 and a drainpipe 20 bore hushpower, when i moved up although gun felt great and fitted me well i couldnt hit a barn door with it. Anyways after getting down in the dumps about it i did a search on here and there was loads of people saying that they just couldnt get on with them, now i parted with a nice wad of cash so i went back to basics, for a whole week or 2 i was doing 10 minutes dry mounting morning and afternoon following cracks on ceilings and mirrors, not holding out much hope but i tried, on the first outting after my hit ratio had trebled and my confidence started coming back. I also patterned out to 30 yards with half choke with 2 different choices of carts, 5 and 6's 30's and for me noticed that i was actually shooting under my target, worked out 70% shot fell below my target so for me pattern was well out, so then back on roost shooting i adjusted my aim to compensate, nearlly blanking out target with bead and voilla i was there. It sure is depressing when you get a new gun and expect to hit everything but perservere mate, i didnt use my 410 nor 20 bore for a good 6 months, only ever took the al391 out, and to be honest in past year i think they have only been out twice each, it fits me so well now im used to it, only use cheap carts, if decoying i use 1/2 choke if roost shooting in high firs i use 3/4 but even then for a **** shot like me i cant tell the difference :-) good luck matey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenhunter Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 In my experience 391's shoot flat at best and low for some (me for one!) The owner of WMSG(he shoots one) takes the bead off and uses the barrel instead. This apparently raises your POA. It should be possible to almost match the drop and cast of your O/U using the shims that came with the gun(if they did). This is the only way to go. I used to over-lead crows and, like the OP, had wads almost hitting the bird (apparently). GH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) Unless I've missed it there seems to be no mention of eyesight. your eyes can change over time and affect your shooting. If non of the above helps getting your eyes tested may give you an answer if nothing else it will rule that out. But this would affect his shooting with BOTH clays and pigeons , would it not ? Edited February 3, 2014 by Westley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 One problem that I had with my 391 was the original rubber recoil pads. They have more grip than a set of Michelins ! Try covering the end of the rubber pad with a smooth duct tape. If the rubber pad is gripping or snagging on your clothing during gun mounting, the gun is probably not coming into your shoulder correctly. I changed the standard pad for the 'Gel' type which is far less grippy, problem solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Get a roll of carpet lining paper... It's about 4ft wide. Roll some off, mark it, fix it, shoot and repeat. ^ THIS ^ you'll probably find that the semi is shooting very flat, and that can be an issue in itself... mine shoots incredibly flat, so much so that i blot the birds out with the barrel before i pull the trigger... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddymax123 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 hi mate i have the exact same gun and I had the same problem and went through two months of not getting on with it, personally I used my miroku 800 for a few weeks and then gone back to the 391 and that break gave me the confidence back with my shooting and started smashing targets again! although the fact it is a three shot helped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingocatcher Posted February 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Thanks guys for all the replies Haven't had a chance yet to get out again this week, but hope to get out friday afternoon if not sat Looking forward to trying out the tips as it would be nice to get into a nice rhythm with the gun Thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
here iam Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 i have one had the shim refitted by a clay coach and also got a 10mm pad on and still hit **** all doing better bum,belly beak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingocatcher Posted February 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Got out for a while today hitting the pattern plate spot on but went on to do a bit at the crow flight this evening and never hit one! Complete disaster Gonna head to the clay range tomorrow and see how it goes as i'm ready to change guns after today Just out of interest i'm right handed the shim between the stock and fore end has the thicker side towards the left is that correct setting for a right handed person Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
here iam Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 if the pattern plates spot on its you then mate , swing threw keep the barrel moving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingocatcher Posted February 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Will get out to clays for a while tomorrow and see how i get on Might end up with a new browning ordered before i get home lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_ Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 I don't know if this applies to you, but when I switch from my 30" barrelled lanber to my al391 I find the light front end of the 391 I swing too fast and shoot in front, try adding some weight to the front, just an idea Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingocatcher Posted February 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Rights folks Went to get a few shells today and nearly changed guns to a Browning 525 lovely gun hold but didn't buy. But i did buy some clear pigeons 30g 6's and my shooting has come good again, i never really gave much thought to shells but today has changed my mind to no end! I used to use Clear Pigeons a lot but never really minded what was in the chamber, either i've got my mojo back or the clear pigeons are doing the trick. Will see how tomorrow goes Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingocatcher Posted February 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Went out yesterday morning and shooting off again Straight to gunsmith and my guns fitting was out he said i was off to the left so changed shims and brought me into line. Its seems to have worked as i was hitting clays a lot easier and not just hitting a few randomly. Didn't get a chance to get to the crows last night but hope to tomorrow evening He even said i had put on weight since the last time he had seen me, hopefully it solves my problem as i like the 391 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Yet the pattern plate was spot on, but the RFD says that you're off to the left. Although you were hitting some clays easier, the RFD may just have cured the symptom and not the defect. Off to the left for a right shoulder shooter usually indicates a dominant left eye - or more accurately - anything apart from a constant dominant right eye. If the improvement varies and you lose it again, I'd be inclined to have a look for eye dominance, not forgetting that it can change at will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingocatcher Posted February 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Yet the pattern plate was spot on, but the RFD says that you're off to the left. Although you were hitting some clays easier, the RFD may just have cured the symptom and not the defect. Off to the left for a right shoulder shooter usually indicates a dominant left eye - or more accurately - anything apart from a constant dominant right eye. If the improvement varies and you lose it again, I'd be inclined to have a look for eye dominance, not forgetting that it can change at will. What way do i sort out eye dominance if it is that? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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