hoggysreels Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) Im not the greatest advacate regards pigeon shooting with ... "clay cartridges" ... lve posted on here a while back, l wasnt ... well its humble pie for tea! Out today using Gamebore clear pigeon 30g No6's. An hour or so into shooting decided to use some English sporter 28g. No 7 1/2 ... they surprised me. .... not sure if l was imagining it, but they hit really hard, to the point, some pigeon were unusable, culinary wise ... a couple of Crow flew overhead and the Englsh sporters took it clean, at a fair old height/distance ... doesn't prove a point but in comparison to some "clay cartridges" lve used, these seem by far, a proper game 7.1/2 cartridge. I only had a box to try out bought a while back. Think l will pick a slab up.and some others "think there called, victory or victor, not certain .. they to were good ... pleasantly corrected my opinion .. we live and learn .. hopefully!! Edited February 10, 2014 by hoggysreels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSS Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I shoot pigeons quite regularly with 7 1/2's and I rate them. Keep the ranges sensible, as we have to anyway, and they kill very well. Not so good in woods, roost shooting though, I like to use 6's for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) What choke were you using? I'm sure they hit hard - last time I used Sporters, they left a bruise on my shoulder! Edited February 10, 2014 by aris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Sometimes your eyes get opened, happened to me using steel 5's by accident flighting crows a few years back! (I thought they were 36grm lead as they had the same colour shell) right up until I picked up the empties. I like clay shells for walked up though I also like open chokes, stiff chokes and a short range bird is going to get a lot of pellets. The reverse is true of big heavy loads of number 1,2,BB on smaller duck (it don't blow them to bits as long as you don't shoot them on the end of the barrel ) There is generally a lot of rubbish taken as fact in all forms of shooting, mainly because a lot say it and never test it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted February 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Embarressingly l cant say what the choke is ... l was gifted the shotgun yesterday by a very generous PW member .. thanks Mark I was using a BSA 12 Bore single barrel folder, made in Italy ... so whatever choke they have .. has a 28 inch barrel ... Just seemed the English sporter were hitting harder than the Gamebore Clear pigeon ... just my impression Im having much more success using single barrel 12 bores, than double 12's ... even had two pigeon today, shooting left handed, goes without saying, lm right handed ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonwolf444 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I had some very nice pheasants using eleys imperial game 26 grams 6's which suited my very light 12g nicely, i will be picking a slab up when it comes to that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted February 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Im thinking of picking up some steel 5's Kent ... am l correct in thinking there is no choke restriction using steel 5's .. " should it be wise to use a tight choke on the day etc " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I had some very nice pheasants using eleys imperial game 26 grams 6's which suited my very light 12g nicely, i will be picking a slab up when it comes to that time. Do you mean Hull Cartridge Imperial Game? Eley don't make Imperial Game as far as i'm aware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettadevon Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 i use what ever i get the cheapest for my pigeon/crow bashing. have recently used a few different 7.5 cartridges, some english sporters, some Rio and mostly at the moment am using the new express load called power blue!!! use them through my o/u with 1/4 and 1/2 chokes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted February 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I have used a variety of 28g "clay cartridges" those on sale at clay grounds .. all a muchness .. though today l felt the English shooters 28g cartridges stood out .. just my impression Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 I've been using english sporters now on pigeons and clays for 2 years or there abouts prob had 3000 or so and they have worked very well i allways shoot tight chokes on pigeons so it hits them hard. but for a clay cart they are one of the better for pigeon shooting so good infact i wont buy hb pigeon 6.5 now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Couple of years back I posted some photos of pigeon shot with 7.1/2's (2.4mm) most of the pellets had penetrated through the breast breast bone internals and lodged under the skin on the back, I can't think what else you'd want the pellet to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 There is more than just shot size to take into account, in reguard to kinetic energy! The velocity also helps! A high speed #7.5 clay round can have as much down range enegry as a mediocre #6 round! I reload a #7 load at just under 1400fps If I had IMR powders I could get that to 1450fps I chrono'd a few pigeon carts and they average 1250FPS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Sporters are 1350fps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted February 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 There is more than just shot size to take into account, in reguard to kinetic energy! The velocity also helps! A high speed #7.5 clay round can have as much down range enegry as a mediocre #6 round! I reload a #7 load at just under 1400fps If I had IMR powders I could get that to 1450fps I chrono'd a few pigeon carts and they average 1250FPS Would be interesting to see results in comparison ... whether whats printed on a cardboard box is to be, believed, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 I've never achieved the speeds printed on any cartridge box yet when chrono.ing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Would be interesting to see results in comparison ... whether whats printed on a cardboard box is to be, believed, etc I find most if not all the claimed FPS rates are nowhere near what you actually achieve when you put them over a chrono! My loads were put over a chrono of my friends, and I was averaging 1385 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve'o Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) Im not the greatest advacate regards pigeon shooting with ... "clay cartridges" ... lve posted on here a while back, l wasnt ... well its humble pie for tea! Out today using Gamebore clear pigeon 30g No6's. An hour or so into shooting decided to use some English sporter 28g. No 7 1/2 ... they surprised me. .... not sure if l was imagining it, but they hit really hard, to the point, some pigeon were unusable, culinary wise ... a couple of Crow flew overhead and the Englsh sporters took it clean, at a fair old height/distance ... doesn't prove a point but in comparison to some "clay cartridges" lve used, these seem by far, a proper game 7.1/2 cartridge. I only had a box to try out bought a while back. Think l will pick a slab up.and some others "think there called, victory or victor, not certain .. they to were good ... pleasantly corrected my opinion .. we live and learn .. hopefully!! The English Sporter 28g no7 1/2 you tried, are they plastic or fibre wad ? Edited February 13, 2014 by Steve'o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted February 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) Plastic Steve'o Though should add ... l'm rapidly changing my opinion regards using plaatic wads over farm land ... lm considering going over to fibre .. cheers Edited February 13, 2014 by hoggysreels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 I've just bought 500 gamebore clear pigeon, 30gm #6. I was using eley HB pigeon but wasn't getting on with them. I have considered using my gamebore white gold. I dust clays with this cartridge. Why not a pigeon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike-b Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 I use English sporters all the time now there the only shell that patterns well through my old remi and Christ they hit hard looking at a few wads I've picked up they tend to all be in perfect shape still not spread out like you would expect to see them after they have been fired! But at £39 a slab you can't go wrong!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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