WHAT ABOUT THE ELECTIONS THEN?

[welsh1]

UKIP is a waste of a vote, the general election is the proof of the pudding. After being a life long Labour voter, I would never vote for this shower of **** until they get a decent leader. Only 2 party's to vote, and for me Tory's must get in power next year.

 

Gorden Brown should be arrested and tried for gross misconduct of the UK ecomony.

 

Get rid of 2 faced Clegg, what a hypocritical ******.

 

Fracking is the future and the Tory's will always support the Shooting / Hunting community.

History tells us that is not always so.

[poontang]

 

On results declared still less than 5% of seats won by UKIP. 5% does not constitute any sort of majority by any stretch of the imagination. Not having a go at the result or anyone's voting preference, but it is still very much a small minority, albeit with a strong sense of feeling.

 

The important thing is that a small minority made their voices heard in a very big way and in many respects that is to be applauded.

 

To be fair though UKIP didn't have anyone standing in around 50% of the seats up for grabs.

 

What is clear is that the party are at a real crossroads now. If they follow the right path, and really get serious about the future, they could, without doubt, re-write the political map at the next election.

Being a 'protest' party is all well and good, but if they're in it for the long term they'll need to organise themselves a lot better in the future.

Their manifesto and choice of candidates will be critical in convincing people they're no longer a party of protest, but a party for change.

If they get it right the general election campaign will be very, very interesting.

[poontang]

UKIP is a waste of a vote, the general election is the proof of the pudding. After being a life long Labour voter, I would never vote for this shower of **** until they get a decent leader.

 

 

A decent leader???

 

Coming from someone who's a life long Labour voter that's a bit rich.

 

Unless you count the likes of Miliband, Brown, and Blair as 'decent' leaders?

 

Mind you, they did have Kinnock, and who can forget what a decent bloke he was!!

 

As party leaders go I don't think any of the present crop could hold a light to what Farage has achieved with UKIP over the last few years.

[-Mongrel-]

UKIP is a waste of a vote, the general election is the proof of the pudding. After being a life long Labour voter, I would never vote for this shower of **** until they get a decent leader. Only 2 party's to vote, and for me Tory's must get in power next year.

 

As a life long Tory voter, I can promise you that I will never vote for ANY of the mainstream parties again until they start to represent the people who vote for them and gain an understanding of what goes on outside of the polo field and Oxford/Cambridge!

 

Say what you like about UKIP, I'd suggest that any political party that ignores them does so at their own peril. If UKIP continue as they have been then come the General election it may well be a case of whether UKIP can get a clear majority or not!

[Gimlet]

 

Have you seen analysis to back that up Gimlet or just a punt? Not challenging, just interested.

 

I couldn't see the traditional Lib Dem vote being lost to UKIP, but did consider that some of the Lib Dem showing from last time round was perhaps a floating vote of protest against the big 2.

 

Just a punt. The theory being Lib/Dems don't tend to attract partisans like Labour and the Tories. Their followers are more ideologues who feel that by entering into coalition with the Tories their cause has been sullied. Being motivated more by ideology than tribal loyalty they would rather express their support for Leftism through another party than squander it by abstaining in protest. The natural party for most of them is Labour or the Greens, who also, I believe, showed small gains. It would certainly explain why Labour remained afloat despite losing significant support to Ukip.

[kdubya]

 

On results declared still less than 5% of seats won by UKIP. 5% does not constitute any sort of majority by any stretch of the imagination. Not having a go at the result or anyone's voting preference, but it is still very much a small minority, albeit with a strong sense of feeling.

 

The important thing is that a small minority made their voices heard in a very big way and in many respects that is to be applauded.

Turn those 5% seats into % of the votes and you realise the strength of the vote they got more than the libby fluffy pillow biters, and a vote from nothing, it will only gain momentum now,and I wonder how many wanted to vote UKIP but did not in case as here they were made to feel that they where somehow racist or ultra right wing to the point of going for world domination,especially as now our wonderful unbiased press will have to tone it down a little when it comes to smear campaigns.

 

KW

Edited May 23, 2014 by kdubya

[matone]

 

On results declared still less than 5% of seats won by UKIP. 5% does not constitute any sort of majority by any stretch of the imagination. Not having a go at the result or anyone's voting preference, but it is still very much a small minority, albeit with a strong sense of feeling.

 

The important thing is that a small minority made their voices heard in a very big way and in many respects that is to be applauded.

I did say `silent majority`,as in all of the people who are so disenchanted ,they don`t bother to vote.The vast majority of people that I speak to have no

empathy with the current PC,europe loving,don`t upset anyone,namby pamby,career politician types.

Hopefully people will realise that things can be different and defeat them with our greatest legal weapon,the ballot box !

[Gimlet]

Turn those 5% seats into % of the votes and you realise the strength of the vote they got more than the libby fluffy pillow biters, and a vote from nothing, it will only gain momentum now,and I wonder how many wanted to vote UKIP but did not in case as here they were made to feel that they where somehow racist or ultra right wing to the point of going for world domination,especially as now our wonderful unbiased press will have to tone it down a little when it comes to smear campaigns.

 

KW

 

If my theory about Lib/Dems defecting to Labour is right and it remains the position at the general election, Ukip will become the third party in British politics. If Scotland vote to leave the Union, Ukip could become the second party in English politics, a sector which will suddenly have huge significance.

[kdubya]

 

If my theory about Lib/Dems defecting to Labour is right and it remains the position at the general election, Ukip will become the third party in British politics. If Scotland vote to leave the Union, Ukip could become the second party in English politics, a sector which will suddenly have huge significance.

labour will be absolutely stuffed if Scotland gains independence 57 seats will be lost which lost means they will never ever again get an overall majority, time to whoo farrage me thinks, and I hope he says sorry you said I and my supporters are racist so go forth and multiply

 

KW

[henry d]

Turn those 5% seats into % of the votes and you realise the strength of the vote they got... No you have a percentage of those who could be bothered to vote, most don`t give a damn about it.

 

 

 

 

 

...more than the libby fluffy pillow biters, and a vote from nothing, it will only gain momentum now,and I wonder how many wanted to vote UKIP but did not in case as here they were made to feel that they where somehow racist or ultra right wing to the point of going for world domination....... Really? They cannot tick a box in the privacy of a UK ballot station because someone will brand them a racist? Time to get real KW

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

especially as now our wonderful unbiased press will have to tone it down a little when it comes to smear campaigns. ?

 

KW

[lexikia]

 

A decent leader???

 

Coming from someone who's a life long Labour voter that's a bit rich.

 

Unless you count the likes of Miliband, Brown, and Blair as 'decent' leaders?

 

Mind you, they did have Kinnock, and who can forget what a decent bloke he was!!

 

As party leaders go I don't think any of the present crop could hold a light to what Farage has achieved with UKIP over the last few years.

I like Farrage but the General election is about 2 main stream party's, Labour or Conversative. A "bit rich?", voted Labour for over 30 years but after the catastrophe the last goverment caused, Cameron and his side kick seem to be sorting the country out. Out of europe and **** Scotland, we can manage on our own as a country. All the main politicains are public school boys with degrees in "politics" None of them know how most of us live or try to have a decent life, not just exist. We cannot afford the final salary pensions the police and firemen and all public servant workers expect any more. People in this country need to grip and understand we are skint and still borrwing millions of pounds just to pay these pensions and benefits.

[kdubya]

 

Turn those 5% seats into % of the votes and you realise the strength of the vote they got... No you have a percentage of those who could be bothered to vote, most don`t give a damn about it.

 

 

 

 

 

...more than the libby fluffy pillow biters, and a vote from nothing, it will only gain momentum now,and I wonder how many wanted to vote UKIP but did not in case as here they were made to feel that they where somehow racist or ultra right wing to the point of going for world domination....... Really? They cannot tick a box in the privacy of a UK ballot station because someone will brand them a racist? Time to get real KW

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

especially as now our wonderful unbiased press will have to tone it down a little when it comes to smear campaigns. ?

 

KW

 

still in denial I see HD UKIP surge must be nipping your nads, you are a sore loser mate nowt else.

 

KW

Edited May 23, 2014 by kdubya

[Boromir]

Onwards and upwards from here. This is the time the politicians actually start thinking about the people who put them in office. If UKIP was not your vote you must admit they have done well to make the establishment sit up and take notice.

 

Hoping the European Elections goes even better for UKIP.

[FalconFN]

Man, there is some serious doublethink going on there k-dub. Never let the facts get in the way or a good gloat.

Edited May 23, 2014 by FalconFN

[kdubya]

Man, there is some serious doublethink going on there k-dub. Never let the facts get in the way or a good gloat.

and another bad loser joins in.

 

KW

[henry d]

still in denial I see HD UKIP surge must be nipping your nads, you are a sore loser mate nowt else.

 

KW

 

Waddever

 

Man, there is some serious doublethink going on there k-dub. Never let the facts get in the way or a good gloat.

 

Go gentle on him plz

[Chris Bb]

Everybody, apparently, has an opinion; and these are important polls for our future.

 

So why, in my constituency at least, is the turnout +/- 35%?

 

Voting should be, like in Australia, compulsory. People died to give us the right.

 

And, as has been previously said, I think that there will be (very necessary) changes in leaderships in at least two of the "usual" parties and a diversity of policies in the challenging party.

[henry d]

Everybody, apparently, has an opinion; and these are important polls for our future.

 

So why, in my constituency at least, is the turnout +/- 35%?

 

Voting should be, like in Australia, compulsory. People died to give us the right.

 

And, as has been previously said, I think that there will be (very necessary) changes in leaderships in at least two of the "usual" parties and a diversity of policies in the challenging party.

 

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[poontang]

 

 

So why, in my constituency at least, is the turnout +/- 35%?

 

Voting should be, like in Australia, compulsory. People died to give us the right.

 

 

 

I don't like the idea of compulsory voting. Forcing people to vote would just lead to millions of spoilt ballots.

 

Local and EU elections historically have a pretty low turnout. The figures pretty much double for general elections though.

 

I do think the constant negative campaigning in this country has seen many voters turn their back on politics.

[grrclark]

I will be interested to see the overall percentage of the vote for UKIP, I suspect it will be a bit higher than the 4%-5% of won seats.

 

I think I saw a figure where voter turn out was 35% or thereabouts, so the UKIP message still wasn't enough to get the 60%+ silent majority out their seats, but then again neither was the more traditional message from the rest.

 

There is a huge amount of work for UKIP to do to really get into the mainstream, but they have done well so far.

 

Based on the results of yesterday my fear remains the same, that UKIP will split the right of centre vote and allow Labour, buoyed by disenfranchised Lib Dem's, in that way. I genuinely cannot see UKIP doing enough over the next year to build enough support to challenge in their own right. I don't think that UKIP have the platform currently to credibly challenge on many of the other issues beyond being an angry voice and, rightly or wrongly, there is a lot of negative perception that they need to break down.

 

I didn't vote UKIP, but it has made things more interesting.

[FalconFN]

Last night they were saying, in the seats UKIP contested, they were getting 25% share.

 

As said earlier not all councils had elections (mine didn't) and of those that did some only had a portion on seats up for grabs.

[grrclark]

The spread of elections across the country should give a good representative sample and it is fair to assume that had every seat been up for grabs that the vote would be apportioned in broadly the same way. I do think if it was a full local election UKIP would have won a few councils overall which would have been interesting.

 

The European votes will be interesting, I am looking forward to seeing if there were any serious inroads in Scotland, if UKIP can do well up here where it is very traditional left wing then that would be interesting, both in respect to their ability to win votes from a more hardcore left and also in respect to our referendum. Given that the socialist Nat's are banging the Euro drum hard a strong UKIP showing might cause a few flutters of fear.

Edited May 23, 2014 by grrclark

[guest1957]

I've been out of the loop, how many councils did UKIP win?

[Catweazle]

According to studies ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/3367930/Clever-children-vote-green-as-adults.html ) people of below average intelligence are more likely to vote UKIP or BNP. Why is this not a surprise ?

[ack-ack]

Should we all learn the Horst Wessel?