Marksman1997 Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Rat problem at my dads farm! We have alot of rats really annoying my dad as they are ruining all the barley and meal for the cows & sheep. So we really want rid of them. My dad is really not a fan of poison as he says you don't know where the rats carry it and he doesn't like it with the dogs around. Also similar with traps as the rats are HUGE so takes really big steel bear claw type traps to get them which would probably kill the dog if he was to walk over it! so he doesn't use it anymore. We have got a few with the Jack Russell and sticks Yes sticks (Yard Brush Shafts to be exact). It is now rare to have a big lot of them on the floor as they are aware of the jack Russell now. So they are on grain bags, Work benches, Shelves, Ledges on walls, Joists and steels on the roof etc. (we have two entry's to the worst shed of rats and above two doors there are large ledges for storing ropes & caned stuff etc which is crawling with them. The jack Russell is not the best dog in the world for catching them but honestly has the best nose you ever seen and can pick up cent and locate exact position of a rat in any shed in 20 seconds. If you then poke that with a stick one will run out and run across steels and down wood etc to escape point. They move too fast for the air rifle and shotgun would likely blow the shed up! So i am wondering if i could use these! Birdshot 22lr load. I have used these before on a rat down a steel pipe and i blocked the other side and then shot down it at about 5 yards and i thought it would turn it to soup but it was un-noticeable that it was shot! So i am wondering what this would do to tin roof or if you shot at one scaling a rope along the wall would some pickles from the shot come back at you or would it be dangerous. I think there are 100+ pickles in each 22 bullet so they are smaller than grains of sand so damage may be un-noticeable? All advice is appreciated! Thanks in Advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Probably not affect the roof from more than 5-6 metres, but probably won't kill the rats either!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy220 Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Never heard of these, what are they used for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carman06 Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 A bit of NV and Air rifle would be safest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 We considered these for rat shooting in the farm buildings but everyone I spoke to, including the RFD I was going to buy them from, told me they weren't up to much cop, so we just stuck to the terrier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Never heard of these, what are they used for? Rat in a trap maybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 I shot rats with a 9mm garden gun and even with that you had to be within a few feet for a kill, rat shooting is one of the most satisfying sorts of shooting - enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Get a garden gun (9mm)-will kill rats without damaging anything else-the .22 will do the job but its hard work and increases the chance of you getting bitten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Rat in a trap maybe That is about it, I have used them to dispatch greys in traps, doesn't even dent the wire of the trap!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy220 Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 I would either use the air rifle or bait a safe area with choco spread and use a .410 shottie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenshooter Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 NV and air rifle is the business. Those bird shot 'cartridges' you mention aren't great. I used them in the past and they were **** then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marksman1997 Posted February 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 (edited) I shot rats with a 9mm garden gun and even with that you had to be within a few feet for a kill, rat shooting is one of the most satisfying sorts of shooting - enjoy. Can a gun like this be bought in NI with our 1 Joule Max Rules? Can you get them in pistols? (They would probably be great as you don't have time to scope as they just scurry away so quickly!) Also does anyone think it may come back at you of a concrete wall? Best way to see if they are any good is to give them a try but i don't want to injure myself! Edited February 8, 2015 by Marksman1997 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 That ammunition will be almost useless on rat's, unless you get them from a few feet, and even then, they might not die outright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 If you have a serious rat problem then you need to do some serious pest control , not just shooting the odd one here and there . There are plenty of places where you can set fenn traps without them being a danger to the dog , like wise poison , if you have a JRT then try smoking some out , you can also use live catch traps etc , hit them on several fronts otherwise things will rapidly get out of hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 As already said air rifle and NV you cannot go wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berettacocker Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Get some local air gunners with night vision, and have some rat shooting parties. Also stack a few straw bales with one on top and poison heavily. Like said keep on top of them with every method available . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastiebap Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Friend of mine is an RFD, he has got some of these in http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/detail.aspx?use=1&loadNo=0038 Although I couldn't comment on the effectiveness of them he says plenty buy them for use around barns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 I shot rats with a 9mm garden gun and even with that you had to be within a few feet for a kill, rat shooting is one of the most satisfying sorts of shooting - enjoy. +1 I use the 2LR from about 30 yds with NV, great fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marksman1997 Posted February 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Friend of mine is an RFD, he has got some of these in http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/detail.aspx?use=1&loadNo=0038 Although I couldn't comment on the effectiveness of them he says plenty buy them for use around barns. Funny enough i actually have a few of these lying around. We happily shoot my sub 12ft lb air rifle at rats down the farm with my dad but the air rifle has BIG accuracy problems(rason for overpopulated rats!). Just thinking... There is bound to be very little fps between them and the air rifle? Air rifle pellets usually just crush and fall on the concrete wall. i wonder if these would do the same? And i also shot against tin etc at pigeons and rats before but maybe the 22 cb long would go through and damage tin. Im sure after all that time shooting down there with the air rifle i probably hit tin before but it's not noticeable. also the rats are constantly running and jumping and would be very hard to hit with one bullet which was why i have a few birdshot .22lr rounds lying about as well. I can honestly get to an easy 2 meter distance of the rats that would be un-missable with this round but not sure about them coming back at you at this distance! i don't want to be blinded! p.s. i looked up Night Vision £1000 + Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 no get a night sight around 300 quid new ,its a lens that goes on your scope and has a tv screen about 3" across .just google nightsite.or u could do a simples on it get a set of led,s from ebay .99p for 10 from china .put them on a cane /stick and smear it in runny catfood so they have to lick it off.u now have an illuminated target area ,the runny food draws em in but theres no solids for em to run off with.whilst they lick the slops off pop them with your air rifle .get some hollow point pellets theyl kick *** for u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Depending on the amount of grain, can you not store it in a metal shipping container? Or multiple there of. Removing the food will aleviate the problem. More food available means more rats breeding. Remove the food and the problem will solve it's self within reason. I agree with others! .22 air rifle with flat or hollow point, NV or red led flashlight. If your frightened of being bitten, make a butt out of a few old oil drums. Cut the base out and run a cut up one side! Do this on 3 or 4. Flatten them out and weld into 3 solid sides. Weld or bolt a set of hinges and latch. Then screw an old chunk of sleeper onto the inside of the door as a seat. Once in, the rats can't climb in. Keeps you a little safer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oliver90owner Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Night Vision £1000 + , or even 300 quid new! Nowhere near that if you made your own. Maybe think a bit laterally here? What do car dash cam systems cost on epay these days? The camera fixed in the position of the eye when looking into a scope and you get the picture on the screen. Need be no more complicated than that. Illuminating the whole area with IR is not that difficult or costly, either. And you can easily record the whole session and play it back as often a you fancy. So all you need is scope, camera (the recorder is juuust a luxury!), illuminator and battery. The only difficult part, really is aligning the camera with the scope. Tube from a box fitted over eyepiece, with camera secured in position in the box seems the regular way to do it. For ideas, look at epay for simple home security set ups (as you only need about 10m range) and utoob for construction ideas. Davyo(?) and evo, on here, have superb threads on the subject. RAB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) Beware of ricochets with those little shells.they wont damage anything.i use a 9mm on rats and always wear eye protection because of ricochets.my 9 does a good job on rats close up.get some peanut butter spread on the floor and ambush them. Edited February 9, 2015 by deadeye18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 It will take ages to get on top of the rats with shooting and traps. You have a terrier, get a few together, there are plenty of ratting teams about. Block the holes on the outside and smoke them out. Best way to get rid of most of them in a short while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4X Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) Beware of ricochets with those little shells.they wont damage anything.i use a 9mm on rats and always wear eye protection because of ricochets.my 9 does a good job on rats close up.get some peanut butter spread on the floor and ambush them. I will second the above, I have had ricochets from my 9mm Garden Gun, I imagine that the CCI .22 Rimfire LR Shotshell would be similar? Wear eye protection Edited February 9, 2015 by M4X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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