30-6 Posted April 15, 2015 A friend has an old s/s sidelock on his cert which he wants to give to his uncle to hang on the wall as it's been in the family since new. He's been quoted over £200 to have it decommissioned commercialy, is there any legal way he could do it himself ? It has on there a name of H C Little & Son, Yeovil. I googled it but could not find anything. Does anyone know the name ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loriusgarrulus Posted April 15, 2015 i put in the '' H C Little & Son, Yeovil gunsmiths'' This link came up. http://www.yeovilhistory.info/littleguns.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
old man Posted April 15, 2015 (edited) Not a DIY job as far as I know, Think it has to be done in accordance with rules and regulations and verified by a proof house? Also the legality of removing it from ticket? Feel sure a PM to Welshwizzard will clear this up? Edited April 15, 2015 by old man Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VULTURE Posted April 15, 2015 Hi. Yes you can do it yourself,just look up the specs on the net,then take it to your local RFD to have it removed from your licence and they will send it to the proof house to be checked and a certificate of deactation issued, I did my 357 under lever last year,it cost me £14 each way for P+P and a tenner in my RFDs pocket for the paperwork,so £38 all told also did a .410 the year before for a similar amount.. The hardest part was using the angle grinder on the gun I've looked after for ten years and then the welder. Cheers. Vulture Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
saddler Posted April 15, 2015 Hi. Yes you can do it yourself,just look up the specs on the net,then take it to your local RFD to have it removed from your licence and they will send it to the proof house to be checked and a certificate of deactation issued, I did my 357 under lever last year,it cost me £14 each way for P+P and a tenner in my RFDs pocket for the paperwork,so £38 all told also did a .410 the year before for a similar amount.. The hardest part was using the angle grinder on the gun I've looked after for ten years and then the welder. Cheers. Vulture +1 It's amazing how many people still think that deactivation work has to be done by an RFD/engineering firm. Some people have a lot more money than sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Bb Posted April 15, 2015 +1 It's amazing how many people still think that deactivation work has to be done by an RFD/engineering firm. Some people have a lot more money than sense. True but you do need a certificate if you want to sell the gun. I had one done by the local RFD for £100 including the certificate, double that seems OTT. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
saddler Posted April 15, 2015 True but you do need a certificate if you want to sell the gun. I had one done by the local RFD for £100 including the certificate, double that seems OTT. Yip, £200 is very OTT Anyone lucky enough to live near one of the two proof houses could also take care of that part of the process themselves too... Aside from the OP's particular issue, I've sold deactivated guns without certificates in the past...as they'd been lost by previous owners. The guns did not suddenly become illegal through lack of certificates Back on track though - I wonder when the OP's gun was last checked over? If it's out of proof it may be an easier exercise to have it taken off SGC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CharlesP Posted April 15, 2015 Saddler if a gun is out of proof it doesn't count as decommissioned! It still needs a certificate - it's just illegal to transfer it other than to an RFD who will sort it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
malkiserow Posted April 15, 2015 PM wabbitbosher on here.... he does them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Floating Chamber Posted April 15, 2015 Or Dedabler. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rimfire4969 Posted April 15, 2015 PM wabbitbosher on here.... he does them Agreed, he done one for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spandit Posted April 15, 2015 Can't you have antiques without a certificate? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robbiep Posted April 15, 2015 Can't you have antiques without a certificate? Yes, but they (generally) need to be of obsolete calibre. There are exceptions, of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rovercoupe Posted April 15, 2015 https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/117802/deactivation-of-firearms-2010.pdf Page 28 for sxs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
welshwarrior Posted April 16, 2015 It's not hard work to do but takes time just follow the rules and be as neat as you can. You can take it to the proof house yourself but they aren't overly keen on than and charge a little more to do it while you wait. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
30-6 Posted April 17, 2015 Many thanks for all the input. A bit more info. It is a 12g hammer sxs sidelock with about 30" barrels, under the stock is a little metal insert (in the shape of a shield) but has no engraving in it. The lock for the for end is loose and the barrels badly pitted around this area. It can be remembered being last fired in the 50/60's at pigeon attacking the brussels sprouts. In its day I bet it was quite an elegant and much prized gun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clayman Posted April 19, 2015 The answers are perfectly correct, insofar as there is no reason why an owner cannot undertake the work to the Home Office de-ac spec, and submit it to Birmingham or London for a de-ac certificate. Costs are about as suggested if you DIY, proof house charges and return P&P from them amount to around £45 for a single gun, but there are savings if several are submitted together. Downside is, the Proof House is very strict about the work, and if the DIY work is not up to scratch they will reject the gun for De-ac, and that means it is still as far as the law is concerned it is still a Sectioned gun and can only be returned ia an RFD, entailing further expense. Then the gun will need whatever extra work the Proof House requires, and re-submission with all the fees being paid a second time. Going rate to De-ac a gun is about £100 plus transport costs, and giving it out to some-one who knows their stuff should ensure first time De-ac pass, and also that the work is not crude and nasty, some of the cutting and welding etc is pretty skilled if you want the gun to not look like its been smashed to bits in the process of machining and welding. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
demonwolf444 Posted April 19, 2015 Not my place, but if there is someone in the family still shooting have you thought about just using it.... Deactivation always seems like such a shame! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gunman Posted April 19, 2015 From what has been described its not safe to shoot . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bruno22rf Posted April 19, 2015 I'm with demonwolf444 on this-although the gun is most likely a mass produced Birmingham built gun it still has some worth-there are few problems that cannot be fixed with time and money. I would get the barrels measured to see if they would stand fine boring and go from there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
30-6 Posted April 21, 2015 As said it is too badly corroded under the forend to be usable. I was talking to my friend and he was going to speak to his uncle and explain two options are for him to get a cert or for him to pay for the decommissioning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zapp Posted December 2 1 hour ago, the-edwin said: What is an RFD ? Registered Firearms Dealer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
