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Cheddite 410 Drago 24gr subsonic


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Evening

 

Just got a new baikal 410 hushpower yesterday and whilst instore picking up some ammunition

 

I got hold of some cheddite 410 carts 24gr 7 1/2 subsonic cork wad :yes: , has anyone else tried these in their .410's ?

 

they are a lot quieter than eley's subsonic load through mine not had chance to pattern test these yet.

 

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Its the velocity that kills not always the number of shot, but with low velocity you will never make clean kills

 

I would suggest you start with 14 gram 2.5 inch no7.5 and the try 19 gram 3 inch and see if you can see any difference in performance

 

The velocity of 24 gram must be so low it would tickle anything over 30 yards

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Its the velocity that kills not always the number of shot, but with low velocity you will never make clean kills

 

I would suggest you start with 14 gram 2.5 inch no7.5 and the try 19 gram 3 inch and see if you can see any difference in performance

 

The velocity of 24 gram must be so low it would tickle anything over 30 yards

I disagree.

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Me too.

 

There is velocity!

So how low or slow must it be so it does not work any more?

Would you feel safe being a test dummy?

Or are we assuming again?

 

i`ve shot clays with 900fps loads, not totally ideal to emulate this situation but 900fps #6 still breaks clay.

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Had a quick root around online last night, some people talking on an Italian forum reckon that those Cheddite Silenziata have a MV of 260m/s - 850 fps (ish).

Not sure I'd be happy using it on live quarry.

 

Clays, it doesn't matter if you 'wound' one, rabbits it does.

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Being new to shotguns I can only apply what I know from air rifle shooting....... Speed is completely relevant to weight of individual lead shot...

Small lead ball (light) requires allot more speed to have the same power as a large lead ball (heavy)... Imagine getting hit by a fether at 60mph and a car at at the same speed,

 

However.... Where shotguns and air rifles/ rifles differ is with shot placement.

It takes very little power to brake through a rabbits skull (around 3ftlbs)

I would guess an individual #4 lead shot fired at 1000fps still has this power at 50y maybe more?

 

What I am getting at is that low velocity cartrages containing big shot size paired with a tight choke are just as effective as fast small shot in the right hands!

 

Food for thought :)

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Being new to shotguns I can only apply what I know from air rifle shooting....... Speed is completely relevant to weight of individual lead shot...

Small lead ball (light) requires allot more speed to have the same power as a large lead ball (heavy)... Imagine getting hit by a fether at 60mph and a car at at the same speed,

 

However.... Where shotguns and air rifles/ rifles differ is with shot placement.

It takes very little power to brake through a rabbits skull (around 3ftlbs)

I would guess an individual #4 lead shot fired at 1000fps still has this power at 50y maybe more?

 

What I am getting at is that low velocity cartrages containing big shot size paired with a tight choke are just as effective as fast small shot in the right hands!

 

Food for thought :)

Err no.

You would have more chance of regularly shooting a rabbit in the head at 50yds with your air rifle and wound less than you would relying in #4 shot to do the same at 50yds from a scatter gun!

Way to many rely on numbers for this game!

 

I remember when folk had fun with bikes under 100bhp. Now everyone has 200bhp.

Funny thing is, the journey takes just as long!

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UD.

 

i`m going to have to slightly disagree with you on this. but i will clearly state why.

 

#4 subs and #2 subs pattern really tight through any choke. i get full patterns out of every choke. i also get neat even patterns. i`ve tested enough to know that.

even with "minimal shot charges" of 1,1/8oz lead. so it is a "moot" point about solely basing a cartridge lethality on "one" or "1" or "1/191" shot / pieces of shot.

 

at 40 yards

#4 (mv 1000fps) has more energy than the #6 (Mv 1500fps).

 

i cant see where "relying" on numbers comes into it. this catridge #4 subsonic is a classic... big shot and enough of it, going fast enough to do "something".

i can also tell you that other people are having great results, even loading #3 lead.

 

shotguns are soo low tech its un believable. its a skill based sport. dare i say that even some shooters are better than others?

 

i bet Mr Digweed MBE could beat be at a clay competition..... there is no cartridge that could ever make me shoot better.

 

my #4 subsonic is and was supposed to produce way better performance than #6 at 1500fps MV. thats all i wanted and better performance at 40 yards.

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I like the numbers :)

The ftlbs in a shotgun cartridge is incredible!

For example...

 

If each individual shot has 8ftlb at 30y and you hit a pigeon centre mass with maybe only 10 individual shot that's 80ftlbs of energy!!!!!!! that pigeon just received more hitting power than my fac air rifle could ever dream of delivering!!!!

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UD.

 

i`m going to have to slightly disagree with you on this. but i will clearly state why.

 

#4 subs and #2 subs pattern really tight through any choke. i get full patterns out of every choke. i also get neat even patterns. i`ve tested enough to know that.

even with "minimal shot charges" of 1,1/8oz lead. so it is a "moot" point about solely basing a cartridge lethality on "one" or "1" or "1/191" shot / pieces of shot.

 

at 40 yards

#4 (mv 1000fps) has more energy than the #6 (Mv 1500fps).

 

i cant see where "relying" on numbers comes into it. this catridge #4 subsonic is a classic... big shot and enough of it, going fast enough to do "something".

i can also tell you that other people are having great results, even loading #3 lead.

 

shotguns are soo low tech its un believable. its a skill based sport. dare i say that even some shooters are better than others?

 

i bet Mr Digweed MBE could beat be at a clay competition..... there is no cartridge that could ever make me shoot better.

 

my #4 subsonic is and was supposed to produce way better performance than #6 at 1500fps MV. thats all i wanted and better performance at 40 yards.

I agree cookie.

 

My previous text said 'in the head regularly with wounding'. Don't miss that small point in my previous as it changes the context a little.

 

I have no issue with lower velocities. I use front stuffers! A grand fps is good for me any day.

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